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Welcome back to Omaha did foxnews.com live I'm Jonathan Hunt Mike Baker a former CIA operative -- has moved to Idaho to -- Ruskin.
Former NYPD detective is in hiding.
That's what happens when you turn -- on the hit list that we have to nearly as it was today I don't think follow.
All the left of -- -- David Katz founder and CEO of global security group.
In the middle -- alas poor former prosecutor and I'll tell us that at the face you know well bill Daley former FBI offices gentlemen good to see you could you know very brave men taking TSE's -- -- Ruskin.
I've had a case.
There's definitely I don't know I think homeless scare a lot of people would notice this this Sunday that -- -- my hey wait -- particularly -- serious subject the attack on the consulate in 9000.
Four Americans killed including the ambassador.
Now we see these emails.
Sake how many emails in which it is stated that ams are -- -- -- of -- -- in Libya.
God claimed responsibility for that attack within hours of it happening there was -- and the State Department.
So you say Hillary Clinton today saying no one claim by one group.
On a FaceBook page does not mind too hard evidence that's and it's a fair point on -- -- hasn't.
It's also a fair point to suggest that it probably isn't the most honest reply.
They hadn't had apparently a live feed at the the detail under the attack he knew he knew what like I think -- a -- won't get beheaded -- drone apparently that was that was -- The attack -- at the end of the attack as it was occurring -- They knew with a 100% certainty this was not a demonstration had nothing to do with the video.
What is mystifying that of course it did secretary's point is -- is well taken that OK anybody can go on FaceBook and take credit.
So wouldn't say okay -- a 100% certainty it's not anywhere near that but they certainly knew it wasn't a spontaneous demonstration the question is why.
What what's the motivation what you and on earth could possibly be the reason that there they were sticking to that narrative up to almost two weeks after the event.
My music isn't it isn't it.
Fans go to -- get everything right before you come out with any definitive statements -- -- and that's why I think this really looks like amateur -- why come out.
With this bad -- a story about the even the demonstrations when they could have simply said it's ongoing investigation we have certain information is developing.
I mean that's all you have to do but instead they they do this counteroffensive they come out with this story that's ridiculous.
And what why it's amateur hours these things always come out in the wash -- -- it and you know it's like any other criminal prosecution you know -- -- well.
Emails and all the phone records is all gonna come out so you know.
What were they thank bill and didn't.
Wonder whether everybody should step back and say well intelligence is a murky business.
Let's give everybody time it is that too much political point scoring on both sides going over.
What we'll certainly this has been has been politicized or certain degree however the facts remain that we have we have four dead Americans is that.
You know early on information from that area right up until -- same day that the investor was killed you ask you -- additional security.
Is that the CIA and other intelligence had operations going on -- they -- they were very active groups they knew that weapons where.
Easily obtain because of the arsenals being being confiscated after the -- the fall of Qaddafi.
And so there are a lot of things here that you would save yourself one -- these -- occurs to say we have a an attack.
-- not too sure what it is there are many people involved too heavy -- -- we're investigating it is that it kind of you know dissuade people -- gonna suggest it was the video because as we've said is that.
They have life feeds we have -- coming forward now that people knew what was going on the the -- there are special the other night was quite chilling wind having people watch it but.
When you went through the the various steps along that day and through that night I mean -- by -- chance that this was just a group that assembled.
You know right thinking it would protest about a video and decided to have an on an altercation with the United States America.
What I want -- was riding in here David within -- an interesting question as anyone awesome question and -- -- relates to the -- -- which I think -- stretch.
But whether they -- -- whether the the weapons used in that attack we may have we may have actually.
Provided I mean this is often -- we see this in so many places and what it's not it and it's not fast and furious we don't do giving them weapons as such but.
That we will help them find just as a matter of calls in these situations where you end up -- -- and whatever country that it's it's American -- weapons -- -- killing -- Welch coming Libby was never an ally are so you can probably find the Soviet made weapons right what went when Gadhafi was was taken out.
All his weapons and and some really really troubling things he became part and parcel of a beat a you know the groups that are now rising ascendancy -- including al-Qaeda affiliates.
Weaponry is not difficult to who -- in there so I healthy unify their American made weapons but -- essentially beside the point the point is.
That how do you have your ambassador really on shield in a place where getting.
Shoulder fired missiles rifles grenades munitions of all -- are so readily available.
He's -- it doesn't believe that is seen the biggest question in this that the this the politics of -- -- was said and when seems to me.
Some in some -- And less important than the simple fact that they didn't appear to be enough security.
Around our ambassador that if that does -- have a choice -- that.
The ambassador -- you know I mean ambassador requests obviously forces just enforces those on disposal but they had a twelve or sixteen -- special forces attachment.
-- that -- -- all through the summer.
And it was pulled out -- so they had higher levels of security -- that choice was made.
To to lower the level of security and when when you I mean yeah I don't think it takes a military genius to say thank Ghazi.
Is it is a high securities maybe issue more than two guys and you know I'm going to point damage.
The the there was and US government force working at the annex the safe house the commission was looking for these you know man pads he residents -- -- missiles.
And and that's really part of the purpose when they went after his -- and to push at CA operation out of Ben Ghazi who and then that's been lost in this also sorry you know.
That if you have four dead Americans you have this this is that this important.
Intelligence operation that's now been pulled out of Libya and and the people are responsible selecting freely.
Well do you do you think.
Come back -- in a second bill for the -- -- -- above do you think this is.
That the truth here is a victim of this political season.
After brutal truth is always the victim of any political season and clearly this is one of those cases it's also one of these cases where.
You know if you look at they've been the set of circumstances from one point of view it's you know it's kind of damage.
And that that may be -- kind of on balance -- personally come out on this but there are always other sides of the story and especially when you're trying to run.
Security around the world and you've got that you know this was -- of course the only issue of the day in terms of what the State Department had to worry about.
So you know.
In retrospect they obviously didn't -- -- enough attention from.
But is that you know necessarily.
Indicative of vastly horrible judgment that's not yet clear to -- -- -- they one of -- choice he writes in saying that she believes this is a cover up because they did ask -- -- protection.
I'm she thinks -- you know that in her view Hillary Clinton stepped in particular state taking me for this and a cover -- is a is a powerful phrase.
-- -- -- -- -- It's not given it is it is simple sentence that was just a blatant mistake or is there a lot more to the decisions on how much protection you -- any idea certainly -- -- this certainly is a process as Bob said you know there's these -- up to be diplomatic security on the State Department who's responsible protecting the missions in the but consulates and embassies around the world and they put forward their recommendations now -- that recommendation would be informed of the fact committed an attempt to assess nation on the British ambassador.
With that resulted in them pulling out the British pulling out -- other -- commercial including gave an explosion -- a hole in the wall of the compound previously as well so you have to save yourself.
What is making this State Department Washington DC.
Headquarters make a decision not to put regional security is it a matter of the way they -- to be perceived as or something else afoot we don't know that and I think that's one of the key factors here.
What made what we're winning that decision was it just try to save cost always it to try to look differently to the rest of the world.
We're not too sure and I think that's gonna be won quite a clearly final thoughts guys it sure does this is this economy.
So then they should make us look broadly got David first.
All of our embassies and consulates and the priorities in that we did have a marine contingent at the embassy in Paris we don't and we didn't have Marines -- that's.
There was no threat to grow -- a great life -- marine detachment in Paris.
Does he really need to be well in living creature you need to security very major embassy but the pull out special forces.
There's a 0% possibility.
Zero at the highest levels of this administration did not know every single details being reported he -- like in fast and furious.
Attorney general accepted operations 0% probability that -- -- attorney general holder knew about fast and furious prior to it happening.
So these -- the usual recover maybe too strong -- maybe it's not so strong.
So -- if there's if there's cost issues.
It's a -- we know that dead funding for security across stated commonwealth cup.
But if there are cost issues you look at Paris for instance -- London and say well let's move some of that.
But with -- Gaza.
Look at this too expensive team to protect your ambassador countrymen investigation -- You can't Sanderson of astronaut can protect him he's an official representative of the president has -- he's is not a question Harry Carson are US.
You know -- safe to travel via if you can't afford to protect -- -- and don't send them all right you know -- in New York City on the details -- yeah and I don't think you say is that this is not the first time we've we've had problems like this Johnson is that the State Department to deploy security -- a process pleased to evaluating risk.
They have various measures they have protocols and if -- -- put in in different risk situations thickness of walls class it has been studied because we've had attacks -- embassies in the past the big question is why why didn't.
-- all right woman will eventually you'll come out and as you guys are rightly say it always does -- in the end.
Bill -- Marco Michael and David S tax thank you all very much and we'll have you back another we've got rid of Ruskin and they got the great to see you guys.
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