George Washington University loses college ranking status

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Things they had no idea but I was reading that the numbers have been like box for ten years that's a -- -- -- have no idea he was a good decade -- mistake.

Just in the methodology that is a little bit disconcerting it is a little embarrassing that their mission staff did.

Less of a lot solicited Kucinich is like they said -- eight and whose acts 58 and that's not a little air that's a lot as in the air.

Yes it is Kelly -- back in session on the docket today a school ranking scandal.

You just heard a couple of students from George Washington University.

Reacting to the news that their prestigious school.

Is maybe not so prestigious.

It's now been booted off of the US news and world reports a list of college rankings parents across the country -- this.

And children you know would be college students to decide where -- go to school.

The university losing its spot at number 51.

Now is going to be placed in the unranked category the -- off.

The reason the university has now admitted that it's been missed reporting its statistics for years in fleeting it's standing.

So is there any recourse for the parents who have kids there right now.

And who chose a school based on the false ranking.

Joining me now Joey Jackson former prosecutor now defense attorney and frankly pull a defense attorney.

I was a little error for ten years Chile where instead of the reporting because they have to give these data to US news and world report about how great they are.

And one of the -- that they have to submit.

Is how many freshmen were in the top 10% of their high school classes coming -- -- your university with and they were reporting 78%.

When it was 58%.

That they -- quite funny for.

That's a little bit of a problem -- you know I feel bad for the students who would they -- who relied upon what you could say the either an intentional misrepresentation.

-- are a negligent.

Misrepresentation.

But either way the university.

Should know better and certainly the students in the parents deserve better.

Furthermore I'm -- not only do we get to the issue of negligence or intentional misrepresentation.

But you can also talk about fraud in the inducement -- because these students what induced into attending this university.

Based upon what they were lied to be a ranking that they felt -- substantive.

An accurate now what do we know it was not.

What about those students who want to move on to professional school Brian you know -- were planning to go to law school -- Med school -- -- again another graduate degree.

Who thought they'd be emerging from a new university -- was ranked 51 but now has no ranking and has this -- car of an alleged fraud or at least misrepresentation.

On it.

Met him before talk about the legal part let's talk about the human side is I want to drive clear the other day I walked in front drive -- -- as big banner.

Number one rated dry cleaner in Pasadena California -- -- -- I know why do you look so good lie about it.

That was enjoyable Marty knows my shirt today -- -- a lot of -- right cleared.

What if a dry cleaner is downgraded the number one -- do you think my shirts cannot look any different my comeback by the show you still look bad enough time it exactly and -- -- -- at.

Well okay let's talk about the legal side -- we would live in such a robotic society now it's all data driven.

But from a legal standpoint here you have to show not only an intentional misrepresentation.

But that this students had substantial.

Reliance on that representation which Ali -- show hear -- who would have been investigating.

How many kids.

Coming out of high school -- in the top 10% of class but most important yet to prove a cause and.

And kids -- -- -- -- but the kids mart are relying on the representation that 70% of the kids who go they're finished in the top ten they're relying on.

-- number fifty want to -- US news and world report and their client did that meg university.

As opposed to one that was lower on the list and as it turns out the one it was lower on the list.

Was maybe above GW university and Morgan picked this up right after the break and -- I'm -- Jackson -- -- pull back with me now -- so what about my point that there may be some students who were lied to their detriment.

-- that.

Ranking in choosing GW.

Here's a problem Megan did the ranking shouldn't be much lower than 51 because.

Only 6%.

Of the methodology used by US news and world report.

Is attributed to what we're talking about with the number of students that were coming in from high school in the top 10% cost that's point 6%.

94%.

Of the rest of the methodology deals with the credentials of the teachers at GW.

Research endowments.

So that the punishment here doesn't fit the crime there should have been a reduction in the ranking in the first place.

Doesn't think his material he thinks that they reported the real number 58% percent of the students were in the top -- -- has -- -- 70% -- They may be -- be what 52.

I'll either -- -- -- it was just the little lie a tiny lie we should discount it because the lie was it significant.

But -- the -- and a lot of -- reality -- it a while this material because ultimately you're talking about people who are performing academically and high school and here's what the problem is in this particular case.

The beneficiaries of this fraud that existed.

Allegedly over the past and years.

Already presumably set their careers they've already got off to graduate school -- the reliance upon George Washington which is a great school I don't wanna discount that and again I feel bad for the students but their set their careers.

Those who have been hired by major corporations and everything else who knew but now the students who entering and who relied upon what they believed to be an outstanding reputable and -- institution they now both freshman sophomore -- and seniors are going to suffer as a result of this.

Well that's going Rangel getting an argument that that -- and there's a question what did we don't know whether this is intentional or accidental but the faculty are outraged I mean if they're not -- -- road -- sundown -- dot -- -- does -- he's at the law school and he's just so disappointed in them.

But there's a question about what there was an -- and so on.

Make -- tarnished the reputation of the university separate and apart from the ranking and -- part of the reputation of George Washington.

So process I -- a lot of.

-- -- -- -- they they might have tarnished the reputation but here's the fact of the matter I don't think anybody out there to show any any proof of any harm.

As a result of having sent their children to George Washington university and now we're on the workforce and -- can't get a job because G the ranking wasn't right.

I hybrid car -- is a great university make -- you -- you.

Got -- outlook could you possibly can you can make just make something of yourself playing -- Brian let's back.

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