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And welcome back to a spirited debate well great people afraid frequently talk of the dark night of the soul psychologists call it depression.
But no matter what you believe that this sort of -- they can affect anyone at any time.
And pastor -- Nelson of -- Bible church in the Texas knows firsthand he suffered deep depression after heart attack and I've slowly work his way back to -- and emotional fitness he's written a book about his are helping others battling this injury journey.
It's called walking on water.
When you feel like you're drowning finding hope in life's darkest moments -- Nelson joins me now from Dell's welcome Tommy.
Hello -- I hope your drive there in New -- we are indefinitely drive but you know other parts -- -- a little bit soggy so you have to pray for them.
You know this huge interesting book because.
It's -- but but it's a very interesting huge topic because most.
Clergy people don't talk about depression because it signals some kind of moral failure is that kind of how you felt before.
-- -- -- -- -- Well when when people would come to me with with depression.
Or the like that's not really physical -- -- say it's not like a bad idea for a -- -- Europe.
Diabetes problem it's more of something that's -- physical emotional spiritual and so you -- You tend to say well you need to make sure you know repent and any -- that you haven't read your Bible more you need to Peria.
And that's true but it once a depression becomes clinical.
Our clinical anxiety becomes clinical.
You're gonna have some physical problems that that have to be dealt with just as much as -- as whatever the stress was.
That carries you into it.
You learn about depression when it affected you.
-- how did you deal with it.
Well how much you have mentioned that that my depression came after a heart attack actually it was before had a heart attack after the -- what.
What got me into the depression with me was just over scheduling.
That's what brings depression on is.
Stress produces continual.
That produces the hormone cortisol cortisol.
That Kennedy can affect your your brain knew the neuro transmitters your brain your serotonin and -- -- into -- hole.
And what I found out is that you can do what you love.
Repeatedly and do what you love.
To where you're running on adrenaline and an after -- while it will get to you.
That -- your body will just give valid under continual.
I don't know how did -- the viewers some tips because you actually have some tips about how to.
Handle overcomes stressed.
He's and make sure you guard your nights and weekends to make sure you were enjoying the things -- delighted don't be afraid to seek professional help but have your spiritual life or -- life in order.
I want to go through the the first one because I think that's kind of how.
If people kind of do succumb to a lot of this depression because it might be okay operating during the day when they're around people when they have something to.
Sort of keep your mind occupied but it's that it -- some nights and weekends what about what happens on those days -- we have come so vulnerable.
You know I went to a a psychiatrist just to get educated on this -- I had a lot of people that I was now working with.
It came to me because of any make the statement that a human is meant to get up at sunrise and -- go to bed or to go when it's sundown.
And you're not really meant to turn your night into -- day but thanks to mr.
Edison and mr.
That we have turned our guard and our days in tonight's we have a -- night and and nightlife and so you're continually going and we've turned our weekends.
Stressing even Sundays -- sevenths.
That were meant to be a time of rest and and western civilization.
And Judaism that we have turned into it just today of sports and so you're going 24 sevenths and after -- -- Your body will give out that you've got to make sure that you come home.
And you just rest and you read and you.
You go walk and you sit on the porch and you let your body begin to recoup and I wasn't doing that.
A lot of people that are driven.
So to speak successful.
Goal oriented kind of people will do that.
They think they create a a tsunami they create -- tidal wave of their own.
Love and joy and it becomes their master and they're always running just in front of it trying not to go under.
But and so percent of its -- I ran out -- habits you say you know you know make sure you enjoy the things that you delight in.
But if you do it too much I can actually become.
A detriment -- yeah.
It can -- can it can become your own obsession.
And so it you have to make sure that you have times of just.
Spontaneity like like the the fellow that I visited with he said to me what do you love.
And -- -- -- all pastors I love books I love my Bible.
I love my grandchildren I -- the lift -- I loved to go jog he said do there.
Always have something during your day that isn't just the responsibility.
You have to look forward to it.
But the thing that you delight here and so I look forward now to access to books but I'm looking to get into of going off to the gym and just.
Just enjoying -- going over to my son's house and sitting down -- grandkids.
And just enjoying that time and not not scheduling.
So much from 6 o'clock on.
You know what do things that church people or very religious people do have a hard time with is seeking professional help.
And we talked about this sort of as a signals -- a bit of mental moral failure if I have depression but seeking professional help.
-- you know home.
You need to seek professional help what are the signs if -- own brain is the cause of the problem.
Windy you know discount.
If it's a knee and ankle.
An organ in our body that's hurting but when it's something that for lack of better words is is metaphysical.
A depression are clinical anxiety.
That seems more something that we brought on ourselves and so.
We don't tend to go for help where we go what's called white knuckle -- we're gonna white -- our way through it -- to be honest -- Christians.
Or the worst.
A lot of times a non Christian will simply go to a psychiatrist -- doctor looking for help.
A Christian feels like it's a moral failure and they want and yet there's all kind of people it's urgent.
Thomas Jefferson George Washington.
In the -- -- Isaac Newton John Calvin Martin Luther a lot of people have struggled.
Through depression and so.
You'll know it whenever it's not just being the depressed or anxious about something when it becomes a clinical thing you know what it is I remember saying in the middle.
My when it hit me I thought so this.
Is depression and that's when you need to go to a a professional on it.
A psychiatrist that can look at you.
And talk -- you know whether you may need will be new trend or.
Alexa -- are what you need to help you sleep.
Those that usually is the first thing to -- hoosiers lead.
Allows me an -- doesn't really -- a different perspective on how to minister to -- your -- here congregation.
It does you you tend to didn't make she -- empathetic.
If you weren't empathetic -- become empathetic.
If you were you'll become more you know the Bible says that.
God comforts us in all our affliction so that we may be able to comfort those in the afflictions -- which we ourselves are -- so.
You know you still I had written on the song of Solomon and I was known as kind of -- saw Solomon is a biblical book on love sex marriage romance so I was kind of sex -- and so if anybody had a sexual problems or questions they called me.
Well now on the depression yeah it was more fun being the sex -- -- the depression yeah.
But once I went out and I talked on James Dobson on this side -- a chapel in Dallas seminary on this and so and now written a book on this and so.
Now people will call me about depression anxiety these kind of the emotional struggles.
And so as soon as I get an email or call I'll want to call them back because I know.
That they need someone to tell them that you're going through this and you're OK you're not crazy you are gonna make it.
It came from there's not a a depression and anxiety virus that you get.
You pushed your button too far too long too many times.
And for some reason you got burned out.
And you've fallen into a hole we're gonna have to back you away for whatever was pushing your button.
And we're gonna have to maybe go to.
To a psychiatrist or doctor that knows about these things to get you something the level your body so that you can deal with more of the the scheduling of -- or the problems that got you into this and so it has made me empathetic for these people.
Thank you so much -- Nelson pastor -- Nelson -- Bible of it.
Web site is -- and Bible dot org.
And the book is called walking on water when you feel like you're drowning finding hope in life's darkest moments -- -- thank you so much.
For being on the show talking about something that a lot of people you know like to avoid talking about but it's very necessary it's very helpful.
Thank you so much particular thank you -- -- --
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