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Retiring congressman and author Dr. Ron Paul (R-TX) talks to Alan about his future, the fiscal cliff, and secession.
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I'm -- comes always delighted to have with us on the program congressman Ron Paul doctor Paul.
Is leaving congress after this term.
He.
Serve during the late seventies early eighties and returned in 1997 to represent the fourteenth congressional district in Texas 198080 was the Libertarian Party candidate for president also the author of several books including talent to liberty the case for gold and a republic if you can keep it by the -- that's a great cookbooks tell.
-- yeah that's -- elected those and we get a lot about that.
Heidi I always stated you know why commodities such as Russia and that's just silly things that could well that did it turns out his -- got more votes for me that -- -- I don't know about that -- you're disappointed with the results of this election.
Not not in any way I mean it is probably is exactly what I expected I remember a couple days before the election predict whether it's not count that the status quo is going to win because.
-- from my viewpoint anywhere I want -- war and better protection civil liberties and free markets.
The status quo.
You know these we still haven't we still have the deficits and they're gonna argue for a -- longer.
I guess I wouldn't.
Say -- disappointment I mean it's disappointing I guess that we don't ever shift gears but it wasn't unexpected.
You think you're making a difference whether it was Obama or Romney -- are not really did you did you vote for Gary Johnson.
And I am not telling.
The you have an answer -- Nicklaus and they have this little bit late now let.
What -- we do about the fiscal cliff how do we do -- can we avoid it and I know you've said it's already happened but.
What's of what's the path that should now be taken by congress and by the president.
-- -- here in deficit crisis and a -- problem that you have to cut back on spending if you -- I got in this series trouble.
We would have to say well if we're if we're ethical we'd -- to pay off our -- that what we would do is we get two jobs.
And we get back spending and get and that's win governments -- different they never do that they always just keep.
Borrowing more and printing more -- and making the problem that much worst.
So I would I would get out of it by him by cutting back.
The during the campaign I emphasize.
You know some priorities.
And and not my idea would be to get people to agree on the overseas spending because.
-- -- In the last ten years probably went -- over four trillion dollars just from the militarism in the wars.
And -- going -- -- -- when you think of all that man and women have come back that are suffering and all that.
Seriously wounded and that this.
-- that would -- I would think we could save a lot of money we don't have to go immediately.
After the entitlement system or child health care of course for the libertarian I don't think those are good ideas I think they usually end up the way they are today.
Cost too much in the services get -- and people are worse -- But I still think that if it in this message I gave and if we will receive on the campuses the young people inheriting this -- They know that wars are useless and -- -- spending is making sense and they are very open to my views on this for the Federal Reserve has.
So it -- in your view perhaps if we went off the fiscal cliff that wouldn't be such a bad idea if no deal -- -- Well you'd see it's gonna be bad if we did it doesn't -- -- -- stop its good.
I mean.
If it's good that the Soviet.
Union went off the cliff and they had to retrench and they went back home today.
Quit invading countries so I think Colin is admitted in the world says that the United States is broken they can't afford it we're tariffs -- loaning them money.
-- you have to Kamal because we will be afforded because I think then they'll say well we better take care of the people here at home rather than fighting these senseless wars.
And I think this is one of the things that I actually hurt to Romney.
He wanted to spend two trillion more dollars on military he and I I would think the candidate it's sound.
Don't like he's better for peace.
Wins the election and -- Obama actually soften his standing at his policies.
You can -- are very people.
We had a surge in Afghanistan and he went -- Libya.
You know that's right -- from the president when I think your message which resonates with me in terms of troops and you've -- so often about all -- military bases we have based on the geopolitics -- World War II.
Around the world we could say how many dollars there.
Hand in all those issues in this war attitude and value in that we affect carelessness about civil liberties now we have a president that can have.
Kill -- -- -- assassinate American citizens and trials.
And into it and then put in prison without without a trial.
Anybody be declared enemy combatant and how about the defense authorization act where their homeland is declared battlefield yeah.
And military can -- -- people.
So.
But did.
This is why I he.
You know that there's too much bipartisanship both parties.
He endorses system I mean -- even if people are honest with themselves.
Foreign policy can change from bush on the Obama civil liberties were abused by bush in -- abuse by Obama.
Spending becoming deeply conservative they they even have a reputation for cutting.
But they never cut to you know matter -- fact they took a position that deficits don't matter that we as the supply siders.
I think deficits didn't matter even though it in the short run people think they can keep borrowing.
But as a government.
Eventually get in the trouble it is an individual gets in trouble the -- given -- and given them any moral and they have to quit.
But government's -- -- when they ruined the money in warrior capable of doing this.
Doug -- doctor Ron Paul you've seen you obviously still have a lot to say and you've had a very consistent message for a long time now.
Any any second thoughts about leaving congress at the end of the star.
Paramount -- -- sort of looking forward to a little bit different schedule but I'll get to do things I've been doing.
And and hopefully I can get back to college campuses I think that's where.
I think that's where the action news that you can't -- -- revolutionary changes -- valuable people endorsing it and I believe there are very open to.
Trimmed some of the many things talked about.
Could you obviously wanna still be part of the political discussion you want to be part of the of of the dialogue.
You know you at least on policy on -- -- -- did I have a foundation the foundation is going to concentrate on foreign policy.
-- dinner last night with Dennis Kucinich.
And we're good friends and will be working together.
-- -- too.
You know it shows that different.
That domain -- called himself a progressive and libertarian can get together Republicans Democrats can agree on some of these.
Some of those dreamed of a percentage Paul or maybe the other way around taken about four years ago -- -- people said that but the president.
It's I think it's not likely to happen but we can still work together you know I think we'll both be out congress.
I've lost a fortunate enough to have your son ran on the program a few time her and is he carry the torch now of your -- do you think going forward and there's talk of him running as a candidate and when -- -- Well we haven't talked about that he -- he.
Statistics basically do the principles of liberty and I believe he whale but it it has to be lower than Ron Pollack and bought and it's if if this is significant.
You have to have literally thousands of people involved and you have to have an intellectual changed.
And that's what I'm interest in more than the politics.
That's probably why -- never became a major.
Isn't that par -- you know committee chair.
Because Ali I was sort of bored with that but hopefully a few people that the thinking about monetary policy and foreign policy.
Let me ask you about this secession movement and -- belief is that it's patriotic in fact and it's called for -- -- founding documents that states certainly have the right.
To speak out but are you surprised by the number of people who signed petitions on the White House web sites and -- it.
Yeah a little bit is it seemed like that popped out of nowhere that you know minibus had have believed -- you know if people read the history honestly it was.
It was sort of understood.
But the numbers of people turn on the other sort of surprise me.
But those people who tried -- -- a little bit off off the wall by saying yes the principle of -- should be there we should be only.
What what they would say about what -- Kris.
Today one to lead the European Union.
-- do we stayed at the European Union ought to invade Greece and destroy them you know I would kill -- -- because.
Yeah I think I -- principles.
Is a very good principal.
But what things that we -- -- -- hesitant about it because I don't take the position that Texas should -- the -- -- lead.
Because -- you have to look at with the states are doing maybe maybe this state officials are going to.
Abuse -- system just like in the federal government to get to know what you're substituting it for.
So for me it's more important to understand free market principles and why we don't need these wars and why weird we have a government that protects civil liberties and if dean of the states could be very abusive to us.
-- have a moment left let me take a quick call here for Ron Paul -- San Jose.
Go ahead -- quickly going.
Yes I worked -- just what -- are so lawyers said doctor all would have been the nominee actually at what you would have been the third party nominee quickly to -- to my question.
What can we do get a viable third party in this country.
That the -- parties are just.
Done we're looking around about thirty said exactly that area -- -- -- -- -- well.
Yeah that would be night and not work didn't -- area tried to change the rules.
But not going to happen in the near future because.
The Republicans and Democrats right the rules.
-- -- -- the that the debate with Republican and Democratic Party rallies there advise you can't -- -- He can't get on the ballot you don't get recognized by the mean.
And that was Gary Johnson's frustration Hampshire.
I am I mean it didn't we -- -- is that received can get me.
Killed trying to promote democracy and there's a lot of shortcomings here in this country -- my argument we have been apartment.
Well I think you have an -- on -- much thank you so much being -- and I thank you so much.
