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All right now an international summit underway in Dubai and could radically change how you use the Internet at issue is a pushed by the United Nations.
To put the web.
Under their control.
I'm hard with his co director of UN -- a film on the UN admittedly critical at times of the -- And Morgan write a cyber terrorism expert welcome to you both -- and where -- and we're just -- front that do we need do we need.
More over seventy Internet.
Not by the U -- I mean this is like Clinton Tony Soprano in charge about gambling and a Jersey.
I it is this is what their daughters are laying the foundations that you can tax it and regulated you can control it and if you can control it.
You can suppress it and the last thing we need.
It's for anybody from the UN I mean they don't understand the paradigm of the Internet they're still concerned with regulating.
International telephone calls that's -- the right to -- the international telecommunications union.
That's managing -- what they need to do -- keep their hands admits out of the Internet this was built by.
Engineers and business people when in fact the first successful transaction was done a little over twenty years ago by -- adversely.
Using computers built by Steve Jobs Steve Jobs will roll over in his grave if he saw people trying to control the Internet.
-- on me and you're in your work and looking at the UN how do you think this fits in with the pattern know that that you observed in in how the UN.
-- -- you.
Overseen or gain more power as an organization.
I mean it fits in perfectly with what the UN is is always trying to do and what they're about is this is essentially.
A power grab by them they want to insinuate themselves.
Into one of the most successful products -- creations.
We have are hating and handed over two of the most unsuccessful organizations.
We ever had.
And they're they're trying to use as a power grab -- they're gonna try to attack successful US companies and kind of use that as a redistribution of wealth.
To start giving that money to -- world countries.
But Morgan -- -- seemed -- times that the Internet is a little bit of -- a wild west if you well now.
Be nice -- government has come out against this many companies have come out against this is well.
But in your expertise Morgan is there opportunity or is there a place where.
The Internet should have more oversight or regulation because -- some of the threats that are out there today.
It take a look at that combined.
Market cap for companies like Cisco FaceBook Google Microsoft.
They got there because there weren't these regulations on the Internet they built these things out.
There needs to be more focused on the area cyber -- cyber terrorism how do you prevent these types of things especially -- of organized crime human trafficking a lot of these issues.
Their focus should be on how to -- the policies in the legislation and the cooperation needed.
That should not be about regulating.
The Internet it needs to stay free and open they need to keep permits out of it and continue to let people in the Internet engineering task force.
And the other people who have helped build the -- word is let them continue to do their work.
I'm a quick thought from you if -- we see some of these crimes cyber crimes human trafficking that are coming up on the wet they're crossing different countries borders.
Who would be best to oversee it if it's not the United Nations.
I mean the the idea of the Internet itself it is openness is it's what has made the the Internet so successful.
The reality is cyber crimes are -- legal across the world through different countries through treaties and so forth.
The last thing and and the UN as well the last -- you -- the UN to use that as an excuse.
To start regulating the Internet I mean.
Really we know that the overriding principle when it comes this stuff.
The US sucks.
And you know really I mean I got to -- unemployed budget so we don't want them involved in again and -- it.
Why are these negotiations and proposes all secret what we know was leaked out -- we do know is for is frightening what they're trying to connect into -- kitchen sink.
Having because we're talking at the Internet we're talking as about many of our stories about problems that cross border is.
And countries where the board -- -- not seeing quite as strong as before so it's a really interesting topic we look forward to having you both back to talk more about it.
Morgan on me thank you so much thank you -- data back so yeah.
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