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Get this book is called -- -- president Eisenhower secret battle to save the world.
Evan Thomas joins us -- and studio Evan welcome.
And great to be here for years -- you to -- this three -- four years -- -- -- you bring you to the -- legacy.
Well -- -- -- and I mean people.
A lot of people who remember -- figure -- kind of grandfatherly figure played a lot of golf.
And there was very useful to -- Kennedy's.
To make Eisenhower look that -- think about it I mean -- young Jack Kennedy young dynamic new generation very useful to contrast this health.
With the slow daughter includes slightly clueless Ike well you know I just that that that stuck people still believe that.
Not true -- was a dynamic.
Driven he had he was he was genial but boy he had to be -- -- And he was crafty he was manipulative he was not some sleepy grandfather type.
But that's been lost to and the scholars have known this for a long time for the general public doesn't know what they still think that I put some -- just play golf.
The most making fifty and that's the where that's where you put bluff in the title yet.
-- he -- -- it's a specific reference to.
Nuclear weapons were new in the 1950s both sides had these arsenals and we threaten to use them to stop Communists.
And -- Feeling about this is he didn't want to fight little wars you wanna get into Vietnam.
In fact refused to get into Vietnam in 1950 for Haiti Korea today made it clear when he gets -- -- Korea.
That the Chinese are constantly threatening foremost and then in Berlin that was of crisis in the Middle East so we threaten to use these nuclear weapons.
But -- was bluffing he was never use them but he never told anybody whether it was gonna Yzerman and I was fascinated by this responsibility -- think about it.
You present -- United States you have this new it's a new thing nuclear weapons you can now the power to destroy the world civilization civilization.
And so people want and always gonna use these things are not and they were they were we then we were just developing tactical nuclear weapons he's kind of smaller ones.
So there's a lot of pressure.
On night from the Joint Chiefs of Staff the -- and NORAD for chairman of the joint chiefs want to use.
Nuclear weapons in Korea in Vietnam against red China.
Possibly against the Russians in Berlin.
Said see if they worked and Ike threatened to use them get -- he said there were like bullets but he never actually use them he was bluffing.
But he couldn't tell anybody right.
Because once you tell people what the organism it's no longer works in other.
That that the deterrent doesn't work anymore no -- you can open over the exceed really have much interaction makes and he is secretary of state -- -- you chronicle with with -- He -- -- is it -- existing relationship there yeah I mean -- he used Dulles stalls is kind of the guy who put out to be the bad cop to threaten and talk about massive retaliation and brinksmanship and all the stuff to scale the Russians meanwhile -- was smiling and playing golf.
But actually -- was writing -- speeches it was a good -- -- cup thing and very typical like.
-- you know here's the have to think about his ego years.
I think interesting for today when.
You know I teach it at Princeton and my kids are great they are great but they have big resonates.
They like to impress you have -- there are only time -- part of the culture stop them it's the parents it's everybody he got to show off.
-- comes from a generation that did not believe in showing off quite the opposite look at the photographs of like from World War II.
You know you look at General Petraeus photographs and he's got medals just hang in and was -- -- -- all generals to cycle where like one -- They were much more low key in the whole idea was to not brag to not post but to be more effective.
By being underestimate -- and I like to be underestimated he said had to get ahead I got ahead by disguising my intelligence and my ambition.
And it was his style to be that way Evan Thomas -- -- talk -- his books called ice -- first off.
Describe the moment where he realized he was the right man he realized he was the right man to run -- after seeing a movie right yeah.
Both parties rafter and -- run Republicans and Democrats wanted him to run for president in 1948 and then again in 1952.
And he's an I don't wanna do that I don't like politics while course he was a great politician you don't get to be supreme allied commander -- unless -- are great politician so.
He -- he was -- politics he was actually Republican without telling anybody.
Finally the Republicans are begging him -- make -- is a rally.
In Madison Square Garden in the middle of the night.
They pack the place everybody chanting we liked -- we like -- Lauren Bacall is not convention which is not allowed just it's -- it's it's just -- boosters.
He's not running he's in Paris he's ahead and made up -- -- even in the country.
So they have this huge rally.
With everybody ever heard from -- -- there all -- -- -- -- -- all -- public and then.
And they make a movie and an eighty -- named Jackie Cochran tested.
And Ike has moved by a -- because he sees this outpouring.
Of emotion wanting him -- -- the country in 1952.
We were frightened that the -- was -- the Russians were coming on communism was -- huge threat.
People like hey we won World War II but how -- were.
We're back in the soup in the world you know after winning -- or -- it's only.
56 years later we're stuck in Korea this army was still -- enough and enough -- Europe was collapsing the Communists are on the march.
And they wanted it general there on a -- they wanted the guy who won World War II.
And so there was this the only really had to do was say he'd say yes and he finally did and they came back and got the nomination in one and 52.
And they knew that's where you really pick it up I -- full board talk about how we have avoid conflict while holding his cards you'll sleep and right talk about how he played poker he was opponent that was key to -- In terms of the different conflicts were maybe a different president would've gotten involved give us an example we know about Korea he said I'm gonna go to Korea.
And it created friction with him and Truman -- Trimmer is a he's mocking the -- them try to tell the American people we need to fight.
-- he's gonna go over he went over there and.
Got us out of it by by by bluffing by he -- secretly send messages to the Communists that he would use nuclear weapons now what do you I don't know.
But they backed off and we got -- armistice.
And so that got -- out then in Vietnam.
The French were pulling out or getting beaten by the north Vietnamese and there was a lot of pressure for us intervene.
Advisors -- Nixon.
-- -- want to drop an atom bomb on the north Vietnamese.
I didn't do what they said in leader in wanna use that he threatened to but.
Did not want to get asked our ground troops involved.
And this of course it's relevant to them to later.
I just thought that the jungle is a bad places sent armies that we were that we said the -- consumed armies by divisions.
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