Is big labor a thing of the past?
Michigan right-to-work legislation ending an era?
- Duration 5:55
- Date Dec 11, 2012
Michigan right-to-work legislation ending an era?
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Also -- tonight's other big breaking story.
-- today marked a major legislative victory for Republicans and Michigan.
It was also a significant defeat for big labor in that movement in a state where unions have long reign supreme.
And not even a last minute campaign style stop yesterday by the president of the United States himself.
Was enough to halt the momentum behind the right to work moment however as expected.
Liberals -- out in full force today lobbying threats and every direction following their big loss.
And that includes the reverend Jesse Jackson who is now demanding that left wingers from coast to coast rise up for a nationwide.
Well that's really gonna help the economy take a look.
These workers -- this late in the state must not let back and draw a line in the sand that's why I'm the best they they made you don't one -- strike.
If they may do one they've Marshall walked in the -- that -- -- -- time have a massive this little about Rick -- to bring about the ship in the in the glow of the win.
Are we are monitoring possible plans for such an event no more details have emerged as of now we'll we'll keep you posted.
Joining me now with reaction -- the reverence comments and the events or unfolding today author of suicide of a superpower former presidential candidate Patrick.
And former Clinton special counsel Fox News contributor Lanny Davis guys before we get to that.
-- show you what happened on the state floor in Michigan today state representative Douglas guy said there will be blood watch this.
And we're going to pass something that walked -- and do a hundred years of labor relations and there won't be -- There -- be repercussions.
There will be blood.
You are pretty left when you're -- liberal your -- assume a pro choice liberal.
Let me ask you this there's this this is what this comes down to to me.
If you can.
Forced people workers to join a union and you can force them to pay dues but they don't wanna pay join -- union they don't -- -- Tell me how that's not legal -- left because I view that -- stealing if you're gonna force people.
You're pro choice to do something they don't wanna do or they can't work how do you support -- I pro choice person.
I'll answer your question directly but I would like to condemn.
The violent attacks on anybody who dissent.
And I think that I am pro labor pro labor movement that that was shameful and it makes those of us who are pro labor who are Democrats supporting.
Organize labor ashamed that that kind of violence should be posted on somebody who is dissenting from the point of view so.
To -- your question the union shop requires.
Everybody to either pay dues for the benefits that unions have negotiated.
Or pay a substitute.
For those -- if they don't want to join the union.
That is only fears that they don't get a free ride for the benefits that have been negotiating through the union but I believe in an election.
And with this secret ballot which is why I oppose card check.
And if the workers decide by majority vote not to unionize then they should have a right to do so.
Well I appreciate your honesty -- Pat Buchanan tell me where I might be wrong here if you can force that workers can't work -- -- they're they join a union.
They're forced to pay.
That money is used for political purposes which they may disagree with tell me how that is not legalize stealing or blackmail or use whatever term you want to use.
My personal experience I joined the globe Democrat in Saint Louis in 1962.
And I had to join the union within sixty days -- would be fired.
Now the union argues that OK even if we don't for sure to join the union.
You should be obligated to pay if you're not in the union and the union has negotiated all the contract in the benefits that used to be called the agency shot.
Sean that's what's been outlawed up there in Michigan today.
What doesn't mean there's a lot of folks have been -- in due to the union aren't gonna pay him secondly a lot of folks that are in the unions say.
Why should I pay dues to the union why should I even belong to the union if I don't have to you.
This is a body blow to American labor.
I think unseen and a long long time and to -- it happen in Wisconsin.
And Indiana -- and go ahead.
And -- and pat you know that we're friends and I respect you but the fact is that anybody who wants to decertify and have an election.
The majority rules just as it does when we elect.
Are electors in states the most votes.
Will elect a president in particular state will get electoral vote just as.
And let me let let let me get on the -- -- and the majority -- -- you listen the point.
If you don't want to join this union run you don't have to wait and I had not you it's there's no choice here for you for people that want to work.
You must join the union you must pay money or you can't work I thought -- pro choice.
If you don't join the union I favor the option not to join the using -- and you have to pay you have to pay something.
Can equivalent to the union dues were -- for the benefits or you get a free ride that's the concept pat that -- In the union you can vote the union out by majority vote.
Barbara this is the idea exact -- problem is what we call it agency shop you don't have to join a union.
And but you do have to pay if the union negotiated your contract and you're getting the benefits pension Correll and all the rest of it.
That is been outlawed landing and they say you cannot require somebody to pay some -- you're union.
In which he just believes you've got the idea of individualism.
And freedom up against communicate and solidarity.
And had to follow me.
I'd be on the right guys -- -- you're going to get the words bailout is that you stay right there now we have the White House's reaction today did they condemned the violence shockingly they did not a lot more with.