Report: Interrogation methods on 9/11 suspects ineffective
Former CIA operative Mike Baker weighs in
- Duration 4:25
- Date Dec 14, 2012
Former CIA operative Mike Baker weighs in
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News today new report from the Senate Intelligence Committee finds an enhanced interrogation techniques he's in the 9/11 terrorist suspects were ineffective.
It to 6000 page report and is not being made public right now but one official with some knowledge of the report says the use of techniques like waterboarding.
-- 9/11 mastermind -- actually Sheikh Mohamed and four other men.
Didn't help lines and some have been lining and were actually counterproductive.
To the -- terror for more on this for joined by Mike Baker -- former CIA.
Operative Mike and we should mention that this report was passed along partisan lines in this committee this there's some controversy about it your thoughts.
Well I think it.
It it shouldn't be any surprise -- the civil liberties groups -- the and the Democrats -- on the committee all jumped on board with this the Republicans did not.
There appear to be and I -- this part of this is speculation but it does seem as if they went through this report and they're calling -- an independent report but I I do believe it was have been partisan.
And there were some things admitted there were a lot of and -- -- still weren't done with people that would directly involved.
But you know they didn't continue sort of the drumbeat that took place for years during the previous administration in the Bush Administration by the Democrats and by people a civil liberties side.
That they they grabbed the high ground and they said look you either talk and chat.
To a detainee.
You don't try to try to win them over and get information.
Or it's torture.
And their point was and they grabbed this high ground early on in the debate.
There's nothing in between -- that's insane that's and that's nonsense of course -- there's there's enhanced techniques in between the fall well short.
Of torture can you give us an example well IA does sleep deprivation under controlled circumstances temperature control -- audio issues a stress positions.
And I and I think that you know part of this is that we -- we already released so much information.
About that program.
Any -- -- larger point here this is this one report but I'd like to talk to little bit about the CIA how it operates now.
And how it does its job which is ultimately to protect the United States in America there's been so much has happened in last.
Ten years that there's -- a lot that's happened in the last several months with Libya.
With the Petraeus scandal as well and so how do you think this plays into the actual work that the CIA needs to accomplish on a daily basis.
Right well we'd like to think that that -- the threats to America from terrorism have ended.
There was a there was a little bit of that groundswell for a while and I think than people realize no it's not the case there are still cost elements out there that that spend their days trying to figure out how to attack us and our allies.
When you talk about the enhanced techniques when you talk about taking that off the table and and the aggressive interrogation techniques -- -- we have to remember were stopped by the bush administration and they -- years ago and you know it's now pretty clear to our our enemies overseas what it is that we can end and can't do you still.
Does that affect again our ability to protect the country what have we really learned if we take independent and this report.
What have we learned -- we'd better.
Right off what we are better off because we understand the enemy more we had a lot of success over the years in taking -- a lot of them of their key personnel but they have looked -- almost seems like a bottomless pool of potential recruits.
But 88 when you talk about are we better off well.
It's a little bit like this report right now wants a piece of string people say well let these in -- techniques -- I keep wanting to go back to this report these techniques they didn't work.
Well it's -- -- to say they they didn't work ever.
You know and the reality is always a little bit more complicated reality is sometimes enhanced techniques work sometimes they don't.
And what we did bill in our in our in our rush to -- show how how righteous we are during this process was we took them completely off the table.
The element of surprise from the -- that.
Whether you use them or not you don't tell the enemy what you can and can't do and so what we did was we -- it -- Evidence yet -- that what the damages that you know going forward and going for quite some time Iverson's the Obama administration -- all we can do is what's in the army field -- all.
Well I've I've said before I couldn't break my teenage daughter with the army field you know techniques it's is not gonna happen you you advise is al-Qaeda and all those other elements out there and in the future who would like to do to work against us if we do pick them up off the battlefield they know exactly what we can and can't do that element of surprise is very important and an interrogation process.
-- prospectus today again as we look -- has the year ahead and off the house safely are a great sadness that with -- and I -- you really appreciate it.