Atheists dub Jesus a 'myth' on Times Square billboard
Do you need to be religious to enjoy the holiday season?
- Duration 6:23
- Date Dec 14, 2012
Do you need to be religious to enjoy the holiday season?
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Under the warm Christmas because I wanna get out of this because you've got but -- billboard.
In Times Square saying you know the Jesus Christ meant that did and never I mean is it never -- a problem but you might offend people.
So there's a couple of questions here if we're talking about offense offense in a free society where we have our free speech rights people are going to be offended.
When -- -- position and was sort of position that says Jesus Christ is the savior.
Muslims are going to be offended because it -- they do what you are implicitly saying -- is your belief structure is false my belief structure is correct.
That that's what happens in a free society that's what it means to have first amendment rights -- -- so that's that's the first point of fact.
That's so we're not we are not concerned.
Too much about offending people obviously we don't want to be profane or things like that but this blasphemy this this word blasphemy under such a dangerous world.
Why don't they don't you want to just does say that you know -- -- a false why not do that.
-- -- put a sign up billboard ad during Ramadan saying Mohammed is isn't meant.
What we do -- that's the thing this is not something that happens just during Christmas we get people that say oh you only come out attack Christians.
I don't think those people are paying everything you did your -- where did you put that.
I well I mean we had that we put up a billboard in a Hasidic community this that you know it's a myth and it was written it was written in Hebrew encouraging people to.
If they didn't lost their faith to come out there are people just like them all over this country all over the world.
We put up one at a primarily.
Muslim neighborhood again in the there was -- New Jersey and New -- -- don't -- exactly where was that said.
You know it's a myth and it was written again in Arabic and saying you know an encouraging people to come out and to say listen I don't I don't subscribe to the Smith.
That you can be a good person without -- god.
That that's the most important thing you can be a good person without needing a god and there are other people exactly like you all over this country okay -- Sampras.
OK first of all I'm gonna surprise you and I'm going to celebrate -- right to put up that billboard.
And times where I celebrate -- doing that -- now what I want you in your organization to do.
Is also give us the freedom of religious expression and not pervert the First Amendment of the constitution that finding that some freedom from religious expression.
Like the fact -- over the last ten to fifteen years we have seen this accelerated at camp.
To try to stop nativity scenes -- Christmas carols and school and so forth all based on a perverted understanding.
Of the First Amendment the First Amendment says congress shall make no law regarding the past -- -- month -- -- religion.
Singing Christmas carols and school nativity scenes in this odd pounds where they are not -- him out.
Do that I establishment of a religion that he's a perversion of the First Amendment.
And what I would like us ask our viewers -- days to consider I hate to consider is this.
Why is it for the first 180 years in our nation's history.
These kind of religious expressions were allowed to.
What has changed in the last ten or fifteen years the First Amendment hasn't changed federal judges having gained some brand new insight in the First Amendment.
That suddenly makes these religious exit I expressions unconstitutional.
What I believe is happy he is progressive secularist with a net agenda.
Have perverted the First Amendment to say something our framers and founders never intended it that SAL so I'm happy for nick to have the right.
To put up his billboard but I don't want him and his organization.
Trampling on the rights of Christians.
To freely express their beliefs as well.
-- noted doctor -- I wanna be clear here we are not trampling on your right to express your religious beliefs if you wanna put up a Christmas tree.
Great if you would like to put up a nativity scene.
That's fantastic what we are saying is that the government itself.
Cannot put that on public land.
Because what that does is it is a us that -- respects an establishment of religion it may not say listen there's no religion of the United States is just christianity it doesn't say that.
But what ends up happening is the government displays favoritism toward one religion or what religion in general over non belief and and the problem right -- what I.
Would say tell you what I would say to you nick is there is nothing unconstitutional.
Nothing in the First Amendment.
That keeps government -- showing preference to christianity I mean if you want to take -- to the logical extreme.
And say that government should do nothing to promote the Christian message or -- Christmas the birth of Christ.
They government should never -- the calendar it should never credit check with a date on it because when you write the date 2012.
You're showing preference for christianity that's -- agencies are out there as well here let's listen to -- It's 2012.
Years not from the birth of confucius Mohammed or Buddha it's -- that a 1012 years since the birth of Jesus Christ but that.
Fact is an 1892 the Supreme Court sad.
Is a Christian nation the church of holy trinity vs United States.
This is predominately Christian I just friends but we allow for the religious -- worship of other gods but that doesn't mean we don't show a preference and can't your preference for the Christian -- We -- you're saying that this is -- this is a Christian nation and that it -- that's what -- -- -- out for the Supreme Court settlement in the 1890s perhaps but the problem I have maybe not intended I'll try that let's let's let's find the Supreme Court also said in -- -- -- in in in the eighteen hundreds that's against owning a person with five.
The Supreme Court doesn't always hit it right.
Here but it also don't illustrating and then we.
We -- -- -- And I hear his quick decisions -- -- 1892 it was a pretty long time to go back for so listen saying that the government has said that this is a Christian nation.
And the president of the United States has said this is not a Christian nation and we would -- Show overtime how the that -- admitted -- it has changed but what doesn't like how does that what is it.
Is there anything against the government celebrating the cultures of its country know there's absolutely that Christmas we celebrate Christmas with it nativity and Christmas tree for we can also put a foot menorah we can also celebrate you know the prominent.
Anyway -- this obviously conversation is not gonna end today and we're all going to be discussing this a bit longer but.
I think -- my guests here being on your time talking about.
War on Christmas.
And that's endeavors that Robert Davis out of Dallas and they pound -- -- here of the American atheist.