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Good morning a somber morning from the political insiders to you on here with Doug shown -- and Allentown affiliate and -- wanna begin to show today by.
We're gonna talk about politics as usual we try to do honest and fair and on biased political analysis.
When patent Doug and I were young there was an act of unspeakable violence on Friday afternoon that had huge political ramifications and -- -- the assassination of president Kennedy.
From that came a new president new agenda.
That included the great society and the invasion of south Vietnam and in -- the occupation Vietnam.
And fifty years later we're still dealing with that.
Of that even this debt ceiling thing comes in part from the great society spending programs.
This past Friday was an act of unspeakable violence.
That may have lasting political ramifications.
Way beyond the other mass shootings that we people.
Become to inured to this one.
The sandy hook elementary school has -- this country like no other crime in recent memory.
And there are many aspects to gun control the moral G generation of the country.
Video games the entertainment industry breakdown in marriage is in the family and religion all of us.
Is going to be talked about in a political context.
Wants the funerals and the grieving.
Process is sort of died down.
Let's begin -- -- -- with your thoughts about this terrific.
Wanna say personal vote it is just so how powerful than that it was for all of us to sell off and many in the audience knows I have three grandchildren.
We're 76 and ultimately but where I was at their school.
When I found out waiting for my oldest granddaughter ever recital.
First grader it kindergarten and pre kindergarten and I get an email about -- waiting for Google so I've nothing to be more.
Shocking -- that environment.
And I'm sure that was it everyone who has children grandchildren any feelings about -- was -- -- done before being.
-- a variety.
Would underscore what pat said.
I had a ten year old in a New York schools turned on eleven sorry I remember that.
All too well and and I think on behalf of political insiders -- and perfectly appropriate indeed necessary to express our profound condolences -- more -- to talk.
Politics and political implications if we didn't begin with condolences.
And say that that was where our hearts where.
We would not be doing justice to ourselves I dare say this network and certainly what.
Basic decency is about to.
But I think you're right and I think you're introduction was both and elegant and appropriate -- I think we are legitimacy.
A change and and I had put this person analytical terms.
I think we're going to see the issue of guns and gun control.
Come to the -- in debate.
In a way that it has not recently I'm one of those who worked in the mid ninety's to get.
You sold ban reinstated.
In the Clinton administration when it was a very popular.
Cause 75% -- to do it it's a much less popular cause now.
But arguably in my personal opinion.
No less important and I think there will be based on the president's speech.
Last night or homily.
And his comments on Friday the White House.
A renewed call for a range -- gun control initiatives background checks certainly.
Bands -- the gun show exception I think those will get taken -- and I think we're gonna they renewed debate about gun control in America.
-- wanna say I think that the gun control thing is something but I my first reaction flee yesterday watching morning show.
When politicians immediately went to whatever agenda items -- -- long.
On gun control was frankly gags.
I mean we these.
Number one that a calm and confident about that -- yes we need to have this discussion.
There is I have no -- war.
Long clip guns and so forth there's a lot of complicated issues.
In -- -- much more important it seems to me is to simply get a checklist out because of my editor read -- this -- will -- going to.
-- sole business is much bigger than this.
This is a society.
In which young people -- everyone has access to when credible amounts of do you sense advertising violence and the society of -- -- call of duty of these -- -- we get scores for killing of buildings and blowing a building and killing people.
A society without any values whatsoever where I can't let my -- -- -- Watch certain programming even if they hear the music because it's offensive you know pushing up above sexual boundaries and so what.
We have to sensitize our society.
And we believe our politics is all about transactional -- -- -- get -- -- playing game.
It seems to me out of this we have a mental health like that we've -- these shooters of all be in one kind of people today.
And look young man loners generally any social.
Don't have a lot of friends or any friends they stay in their room play on the computer a lot.
-- somehow they get these guns and they flip often go out and and ended with one.
And what we had -- not just phones that we have to deal with the -- all of this.
This country needs to sit down and have a big conversation and -- and I yes gun control is.
The gun issue is part of it I would hate to thwart can be reduced because clearly did -- -- -- close look at this what we agree there are a lot of elements gun control certainly one.
Mental health and this.
-- mean if you look at this particular case you have the woman.
Legally bought the guns under Connecticut law she legally have at least six -- while I've read six or eight and he had four of them that.
If there's any fault and we don't want -- get in in this specific case but.
What is this mother of letting this disturbed kids have access to these -- look forward we'll start with the fact that you -- we have a society -- parents don't take responsibility.
Were there too many of them for their children.
Well when I when I read about her though she was very.
Very worried about her son he's a in one hand brilliant loner.
A little odd.
He would -- when he got sick he'd make her sleep in the hallway outside his room because he didn't want his mother away from home too much this is -- twenty years -- -- issue sort of place yet.
-- while she's lying in bed so the guys.
But he shouldn't have access to the god that's the -- -- so but having a gun control parental responsibility mental illness which.
The -- Rorer movie -- shooter was under psychiatric care.
The psychiatrist was warning Colorado State where I think he went.
To do something nothing got done that we have mental health guns entertainment the desensitize.
And the culture remain on the right.
Since that Pat Buchanan speech in Houston about the culture war in America.
And many ways that has been vindicated by all these acts of violence.
That the country is at a control.
What is the forum.
For this to be discussed is -- a National Commission.
Appointed by a president.
-- -- I think it's a multiplicity of levels I think.
I we -- do well with -- National Commission I think we would do well with aggressive legislative initiatives I think we would also do well in fairness to my friend pat.
With a whole series of structured and unstructured conversations at the local level through synagogues churches.
Fraternal association schools about violence and about mental health I would tell you as somebody.
Who myself has dealt with a familial history.
Of mental health and health issues including childhood mental health.
I know how much time energy and resources.
We've devoted to and our family successfully.
But John I daresay you'll -- pat has been on a political show.
Where anyone has ever talked about the issue of childhood mental health as an urgent national imperative I can tell you from personal need to -- View we would have to do -- I think Doug you're absolutely right and I think we're talking about was not just mental health of children.
We need to have the national conversation -- the importance apart shall.
We have a political leadership -- national you -- your but we York's you've got we just -- out there -- -- you're doing the debt we're putting on our children.
The burden of walking -- from their rightful area that we inherited.
We treat our children the society as inconveniences.
What my generation Franklin but right now think is the worst generation ever want so we have great -- -- We keyboard and that -- -- -- one of the best represented as a very very good generous of well.
-- this happened.
I think to question about what you over the past and the future is inherent in -- -- Healthy real society we -- our children -- country Bill -- notion but one moral man.
Well founded even for the country that's about it we give our children better than we have we are not doing that shall we say it is.
They should be our priority and I think it is a big -- it's time to have that conversation.
And it's time for people to take responsibility I worked in Hollywood what's going on out there it's absolutely.
In defensively digital and some of those people I'm already hearing about -- -- -- what this -- which take all the children.
But -- -- consider it but what would you people stop doing what you're doing.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But I certainly was a part of -- I understand how wood ticks and right now it's all about money in the hell will do anything what's happened with Hollywood book movies and -- -- Hollywood royalty for me and a video of the hole that is that added weren't.
Odd weird -- behavior has become the norm in the entertainment industry what you put on the watch is snow key and all this stuff on TV instead of.
Regular behaves abusive Father Knows Best is not gonna come back makes no I think it's a it's too bad that it doesn't come back which you know what you make an appointment -- reduce it.
It's important -- When you.
Burst out -- remember we have the thing about you don't actually in terms of violence in America.
You know we had this about 1015 years -- files was going down crime is going to have to population -- But more more local news was -- on any event that happened making people more afraid.
Yeah there than they should wobbling him would you would you would you broadcast we abroad now what -- -- -- the salukis and all of that stuff.
And tell people that's the culture you live in and it's okay do what you want.
It has effects.
I was a question we just like the ability to walk into a -- -- invite 500 weapons.
-- that without apartment that is part of it but it's not the solution to -- that what we're we think don't wait the three of us that politically where this thought ago.
Is an examination of every underlying cause that could -- contributed to this.
All -- and I'm I'm ready to say that but I think my point of departure.
Is I think it's right reasonable and responsible.
And arguably necessary that we have eight explicit and clear.
Segment of that be about how do we get automatic weapons.
Out of the hands of civilians.
How do we.
Limit access of guns to people who are mentally ill.
Recognizing that that's not the full answer -- but it may well help reduce data may reduce our missile but it is it needs to clearly part of the answer him.
What one lesson before we go to break -- we have a president obviously just reelected can't run again.
Doesn't he have to be the leader of this conversation look.
I think we have to be fair to the president we've been critical -- -- I've been very critical we've said he's the divider in chief we meant it and I think there's ample evidence is supported.
In the last 48 hours I would have to say he has made a concerted and concrete effort to be a uniter.
I think -- -- -- -- good and I think I have hard.
Don't want to speak for pat but certainly on behalf of the theme of the particles that we have written previously.
If he continues along the -- he's taken.
The last 48 hours I think we'd be pleased.
And America would benefit the presidency as I've written -- we years ago and said -- two functions and has uniquely in our system.
One is -- these are government and the others -- leader society.
Right now we need a president who leads a society that's what we need right because in this conversation with the president and help them book.
-- -- -- We're gonna take a quick break when we come back and talk about the latest on the fiscal cliff I was gonna say negotiation we could say Qaeda and surrender piecemeal.
-- happen -- but on the topic of the sandy hook elementary school and all of us we're gonna come back to this and other shows that we -- not this thing is just beginning.
This horrible act will have a long term consequences that we -- on our show hopefully also revisit will be right back there.
We are back political insiders Doug shown -- melodrama blew it let us leave the somber sad topic -- them.
And go to the day to day activities of John Boehner the speaker of the house for a -- now and the president United States.
Over Friday Saturday Sunday there are new revelations coming out about the Friday phone call.
Where the speaker and the president talked and the speaker offered for the first time in a hard offer to raise tax rates.
On become earned.
At a starting in a million dollars is the first time the Republican leadership has sanctioned.
Raising a tax rate as part of this deal less of first breakthrough we heard about.
Sometime on the weekend in the middle it was horrible story.
And then then pat alerted us last night that another part of the story is that -- are also offered.
To punt on.
Raising the debt ceiling for the year 2013.
That this would be off the table we wouldn't have it has a leverage item against Obama.
To repeat twenty August on eleven so two huge concessions.
By republic without.
Give backs by the Democrats that I'm aware -- you may.
Know more about it but I haven't seen any concomitant.
From the administration.
It looks to me like -- is just making unilateral.
I got consent -- this economy maybe the leaks came from a White House for the White House person who leaked out that Boehner has given up on tax rates debt -- But maybe that's not really how it was done maybe he said -- and I will be -- thing.
To do debt ceiling he said he wanted to if you give us X amount of spending.
There -- so that while the way it's being portrayed it and he's not pushing back -- just as concessions.
This is suppose -- just for show and -- she's leading with wanted to cut entitlements seven where we unity about the budget.
This idea he has crossed the law and that the ice said weeks ago on the show and on March Sunday show.
Several weeks ago we discuss I thought he should take up Chuck Schumer publicly.
So you -- million dollars will go to the million that was Chuck Schumer that was a democratic proposal bold move that to -- to carried interest which is at it which is it moral outrage.
And and it's the same time take the president all about the debt limit and spending and -- him to leave.
They but they have no public position based sit there and they talk only in this whatever they're doing.
I'm not sure he is not picking on its own -- this deal -- say we're gonna take give you the debt limit for a year with nothing -- Turn which appears and I don't think he's getting America -- the White House in there keep giving keep giving watch enable us an idea I think he is gonna blow this thing up because he can't carry it.
Up while ago when -- get to that but let's look -- we're talking if we -- it slide number six.
Which is from the NBC news Wall Street Journal poll last week.
Do you want to raise taxes on the wealthy.
And murder and reduce spending some pretty big number 65 to third it.
Did it give the president and Amanda -- tonight.
He believes it did.
And the Republicans by their actions things -- just it did to they don't remember him as we said yesterday.
The Republicans don't have an alternative narrative that no matter then -- location make the American people.
And when they give up on the debt limit in the issue of spending and let the president who wants and remember this.
The president wants to spend almost more than he wants to -- Additionally.
And he -- it is double the amount of revenue he wants to tax increases and he'd fit into being -- -- for the public to know her parents.
And it is there is one fact he did win the election he's going at a higher rate on or wealthy people they should -- all that but they have no public position.
Piled up on public position let's put up slide number three plays which do you think is the best way to deal with the country's budget problems.
Well look at that's 57%.
Of people say cuts in government spending.
40% most of -- tax increases the.
This is mr.
to bill's point let me make it my own way.
If you by 57 to twenty people favor spending cuts over tax increases.
You sit down with the Republican caucus and in the time honored tradition of mr.
could go you go.
Goodness gracious but you can make that case that you are going to stand -- right for spending cuts before you do anything.
And if it means that you have to play hard ball with the White House.
More on firm political -- but if all you do is exceed to their wishes on taxes say that it's inevitable because of the sequestration in the fiscal cliff all that you're doing he's conceding.
The inevitability of your police.
And it -- worst.
We would you shouldn't say the big -- most wanna do is cut Medicare Social Security by herself right which go to the DNA of what people like but -- -- -- -- back to regular person part of our conversation.
Today about leadership and about the larger question about a conversation with them about children yes -- -- this debt this 57%.
People know what we are doing but our problem and our political system is it is not viewed is he moral issue.
Let's put up -- you -- direct contact all over Pat's point number four players.
This it goes to your point how is the federal government working 65%.
Of the people on fox poll last week say the federal government broken -- Democrats Republicans and independents those numbers.
This is across the board get the Republicans who but the most natural people -- least articulate are so negative.
They are so stupid is a part must put on number one -- one that point number one feelings towards the leadership.
Of various groups in our country and -- this one has these Republicans up here when you look at the Republican numbers don't.
But it is so the the -- you have number two will be Democrats and stick with one -- minutes of the total negative.
The Republican Party negatives 45%.
That's the highest negatives of anybody pole including.
-- -- -- Romney Susan Rice Paul Ryan.
Joseph Biden betray us Democratic Party it was a Democratic Party -- 3535.
Negative 35 negative.
We'll go to number two wouldn't come back and forth here we Democrats and demand.
But look at this the democratic Narnia's plus nine to minus fifteen -- -- 24.
Point gap in perception now.
The vote is pat pointed out yesterday and Rasmussen is plus ten democratic.
This is an untreated from that wants to vote.
Than it does because they say we -- philosophically Republicans -- Why don't already well we're we we're gonna and yes -- wire time that was put up number eight because this is funny but it's not.
We they ask people in the public policy polling question.
But which party is Santa Claus.
Say Santa is a Democrat 48% say is Republican now we talked about this'll -- yesterday.
-- little more time here what does that tell you about what people think of the two parties it's about him.
But see it's about also giving -- -- it's about making people happy whatever you know it's amusing but it but poignant but I wanna go to another point what Doug said it's important.
We have a country that philosophically is probably more in touch what what a Republican Party supposed to be about we have a -- Republican brand -- -- And so negative a woman from what the Republicans do it was we think they were they -- did they just this week appointed.
But written previously chairman of the party who won't result no one -- -- in the past -- they created.
But he points Haley Barbour wonderfully genial -- and former RNC chairman and one of the leaders of crossroads.
Be called -- bled disaster group whose super pac.
And they've established a commission to whitewash everybody's I -- -- 24.
This is the only issue we talk of the a little bit on here last week this massive amount of money that little white washed out -- don't -- white wash your mistakes in the Bob establish who wants to be in control.
They stand if -- suggested here now for nothing the American people that Rick Mears and poll had ten points.
Which is the highest margin.
It has been two weeks in -- -- just TS in every week generic -- let's -- number five this is take a car recall election this week were held who would you vote for and -- that ten point it was ten points a week ago and I'm telling you.
This is a party on the way to being the weeks are disappearing because someone -- -- articulate the voice out there for the country and it's a more moderate centrist right.
Totally -- let -- offer the anecdote that I offered last night a little bit more detail I spoke to one of the most enthusiastic -- lawyers in America.
Inexhaustible supply of enthusiasm.
And cash for the Republican Party.
The -- have because this guy writes a check posted a big event from Mitt Romney.
Supports the Republican.
Congressional committee so individuals senators legislators.
He's down with the party.
I -- -- -- finished they lied to me this is just took a shell game on -- they don't care about the people.
Now while waiting for some newspaper reporter needs to do that -- I'm reviewing -- on the record allow always available owners and abuse because to cope the cope.
Conferences canceled canceled for January 3 cup dirt here in January covers canceled you can only guess watch the donor humor bull would don't report that.
And the republics are trying to cover the are desperately Willie.
-- part do anything to protect these relationships -- 152 million dollars we don't they're corrupt original -- arrangements between that.
They just two people live the political director Rami in the and the chief of staff for the RA -- I read this stuff is evens it.
Just so what we have -- we got a political party that once was almost the majority party in America it's a little wizard is there any governors a lot better and your legislators so these are.
Voters who with the local level as pat suggests won't Republicans the problem was at the national level there effectively bankrupt yeah I think -- they're bankrupt financially.
It and toxic and here you -- their off on message and because they have reason to stand for nothing but they're only -- a Goodman and -- party.
With a country -- had sixty -- -- broken no -- right pat Doug great show today again for all three of us and our wonderful crew behind the scenes.
Yes -- -- sadness which is more important than any political prescriptions -- analysis exactly that offer we would be doing a disservice as Americans if we don't try to prevent more of these things are examining on the way to do it is through the political process one of the ways to one of the ways.
-- for -- and pat I'm John hopefully we will be back on Sunday at 525.
On Fox News Channel and back here next week hosted by Doug shown next Monday.
Five 10:30 AM on foxnews.com.
Have a good week.
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