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MLS cup Charlotte Allen is whether -- contributing editor.
-- the campus the Manhattan institute.
Author of the human Christ the search for the historical Jesus which you remember years ago.
-- you had a very controversial piece out.
On what happened.
And Europe -- position is basically.
Had that been men there he's had all the personnel the teachers the principal the assistant principal.
The school psychologist the reading specialists were female we didn't even seem to be a -- janitor.
To heed his bucket and -- lenses means that your position right.
Yep that's what I get out and got that may not be entirely accurate correct it's not there are -- -- on the stay out there and -- one of them is -- -- steady at its but I.
Seeing the -- there.
Yes but I don't know Pete was -- -- -- you honestly.
Why didn't I because I -- I did I wrote that article on the spur of the moment they national and you ask me -- -- -- I got home from an interviewer during.
Why make factual errors -- I presume there's no men there when there were.
Well because island.
We -- and numerous news story that not a single one of them mentioned a single and it's not clear that there were ever in lenient on the scene.
That's there's another issue here about that too but the fact is it was easy to find out that there was a -- -- -- was a -- fourth grade teacher there.
-- -- -- -- -- -- that's not true in -- no it's never those.
To me and have never been mentioning any news -- it's not clear whether they were on worker on that debt it absurd to say.
Well you're in a presumption that they ironically.
-- made the presumption that they weren't there you don't know that secondly.
Simply because there was a there might have been a man there.
-- big burly guy would even able to put himself but between a person and a bullet.
It's hard to -- but there's one thing that you know back then and about the end and it -- they're bigger stronger.
Seems -- more aggressive and eventually Barbara.
And that's gonna stop someone with -- a hundred rounds of ammunition.
It -- -- hard to say.
And the hard to say you've a human being a human being verses -- -- -- semi automatic.
They happen and when Gabriel Giffords.
Two man managed to stop that guy one of them hit the bat with a -- -- she got me.
A chair as Dave -- points out of Slate Magazine.
He did say for example the second person shot by Jared Laughner.
Was Gabe Zimmerman an -- to get -- -- Giffords who upon hearing gunshot that would cripple or turn and step toward laughter.
The gunman shot Zimmerman in the head the fourth person -- -- there was Giffords aide.
Ron barber who survive shots that she can groin saved by John roll who lunged at the side and was shot fatally in the back.
-- did all of this in less than six seconds grown men in good health were cut down because bullets.
Move faster than people.
You know it's -- big time let women win the ball when the people that to the bowl people are going to be.
Will you please let me yeah.
Yes but the US assembly I want to hear what you had to say but you just said sometimes people.
Move faster than bullet -- is that.
No I'm not saying that at all but sometimes people are able to stop.
They're they're they are able to stop aggressor.
And in fact it's happened in many cases where people have the -- able to stop aggressors.
And it's so it let -- -- that of course people are giving it would never -- -- Katherine -- in and don't go into debt free zones which includes school.
It's going to be really tough for people -- -- -- but can it can be.
That's all I'm saying that there were numb and on that scene instead of instead of women that it that it Biden -- possible for fewer people.
You're talking about human beings and you look at all the time you're making -- gender based argument.
Yeah hitting it clean yeah -- based -- and -- and I -- Making -- gender based argument.
Are you have to do is look at man and look at women and look at all the aggressors look at every single man shooter.
And since then shooting had been recorded every single one that has been a man the man behind.
And you know and and you know what they had that and other men in that little bit while we you know what those men who did those -- shootings had which the janitor in the fourth grade teacher and a number of other men in the school -- doesn't -- golden.
You -- what evidence can you print yet hit me.
Either -- team and the privacy.
Well but the point is they didn't have guns if they whether they were they not were not on the scene the issue you review -- I.
But Charlotte -- jump to the conclusion that they were not on the scene and you started this interview by acknowledging you are wrong.
Collision what so ever I have -- had no.
You've said that they were not -- and it turns out -- senator was.
But according to data wirelessly but but but it did and it was reported Slate Magazine the -- -- and they went to the fact of the matter -- but the.
Knew he did not mention that the heat are all -- why -- -- yet and I read the article -- clearly if you have.
All -- -- that was that there happened could be two male employees -- month.
Well you know give -- you know that you have the you know that they were not on the -- I do not know that they were not and why don't know that they were would you need to present and they learn when you -- -- that you weren't that I have -- -- wouldn't let him.
I don't -- mention the political problem the bigger issue is steal mail on net he has sparked adult male that I can figure out was.
-- -- -- -- The ms.
Allen the bigger issue is whether the the people on the scene -- male or female -- no competition for semiautomatic guns that's really the issue.
-- you trying to make with that that it doesn't matter.
There they wouldn't have been able to do anything you.
-- -- -- -- yes they would and not again I would I would think I was with a hundred rounds of ammunition now.
-- That men can view and that and out Jack.
And -- in the Giffords case.
They hit it -- you're -- here.
Cheer you didn't -- didn't the other guy apple but that the other guy with that would keep four year old military Fiat.
Called lock her -- -- Disney did not the carnage.
It didn't stop the carnage and didn't stop what happen again readers noted -- Good.
After that I was lord.
It was stopped.
Not nor did it happen.
Happen to stuffed or save the life of Ron barber who are skilled.
In -- Colorado.