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Eight a first pastor Rick Warren is considered to be one of the most influential religious leaders in the country.
His book the purpose driven life has been read by more than sixty million people worldwide and it is currently being re released to celebrate its tenth anniversary.
I recently sat down with past -- -- talk about the meaning of Christmas.
Christmas mean to Rick Warren.
The very first.
Christmas the Angel said three thanks.
-- those three things are the three purposes of Christmas.
-- the three things that -- an Angel announces I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all people.
Christmas is -- time to celebrate and America right now needs to celebrate.
People who are down they're discouraged we've had for nearly five years of bad economic news we need to party.
At happening I mean we we need to celebrate them past the war insisting he don't party we we need it by bringing a good news of great joy by the likes of which shall be for all people -- -- to -- the water into -- fact.
Christmas is not just for Christians by the way -- -- which shall be for all people right so for all people.
-- so we at the time for celebration.
Then he says.
That -- Angel said.
Behold I hit -- bring -- -- who born in this day in the city of David as a savior is Christ Mort.
The little -- the Internet not -- know it or not we on -- -- Now OK now we all these saving -- -- -- we certainly need saving from our sins we need savings from our from our -- ourselves.
We need saving from our faults.
But a lot of people need saving being saved financially.
They need to be safe emotionally.
They need to be saved relational -- they need to be saved out of like for drug abuse or a battered wife or that a lot of people so -- salvation.
And it is it and it is.
Universal and the salvation Jesus Christ from -- by -- sense but it's also.
-- -- what else don't need to be saved from in my life and it's an ongoing thing.
Not knowable but I -- sold to accept the Bible more books than -- -- -- probably the second biggest seller of books.
Anybody here -- -- two books I've read heaven Israel via the by the us the story this little boy yeah and -- book god and -- -- -- is as they it was a sixty minutes and have a ninety minutes and have any idea -- -- what do you think happens.
When you -- what do you think happens.
Well the Bible so Israel clearly to be absent from the body's request president of the lord in other words I instantly -- the presence of god that's it that's fit -- there's no delay it's you vote directly but you don't even how I mean some of course that you are to some people not instantly on course -- -- in -- That the Bible says Jesus said that the -- farm.
Once -- across.
He said lord remember me when you come into the kingdom and Jesus that -- day this -- you'll be would you be -- not not tomorrow not a year.
Well I need -- so it straight and narrow is the way and fewer those who find it -- him does that mean if you get to heaven.
Certainly it does and it and it an -- McCarty of us -- go to hell -- the issue is this.
-- a great thing to be talking about christmastime -- what we've got to -- -- -- once there's this one goes to life with the eternity with god.
Right and this and says eternity.
Right if I walk out the door that says eternity without got -- in god for that.
No that's my choice right that's my choice and so I choose.
To read two to go to hell.
You have to do almost impossible.
What you -- do you have to reject.
The grace of things the president offered but I was free to everybody but doesn't that go against straight narrows the way in few.
Are those who find that that is not predicated on a belief vote correctly at the other pass from just a humble guy questioner here.
Fewer those that find it what do and the reason why -- find it is because fundamentally.
We all want to be god.
We have pride ego pride in fall of man you see the middle letters sent is by.
The middle letter pride is.
It's all about me it was private gutsy -- got to have -- aunt and what causes not just.
-- -- When you dismiss heaven and and it can end up in hell is the pride that says I want to be god and I want to be got and I wanna do it my way.
Now heaven is God's place it's his house he gets to choose how we go there.
I don't get to choose that says he goes to prepare but the day my father's house are many -- or go to prepare a place for you Jesus said.
I -- way.
The truth and -- life no -- comes the father -- and he does have one way.
He did send the best way he used -- a good way he set on that it's on the -- now here's what I hear a lot of people sent.
Well I believe Jesus was a great man.
I believe -- a great teacher that's the one thing he could not possibly be.
He claimed to be god if you're a good teacher -- -- make that kind of claim.
You're -- who you are.
Or your faith your phony -- and -- -- -- you've got to solve the debate between Miami.
Masters in divinity wife and myself we always argue about he's about to get her degree yeah OK so but the -- we argue about the Jesus is -- Jim belief.
I -- say wait a minute.
Why called me good it's my father yes he did do with the war yes yes yes and they're all these areas where they separate where he separates himself -- from his father right.
What now you're getting into the issue the trinity which has been often stated.
But to try that.
To deny the trinity is to lose your soul to try to understand the trinity is to lose your mind.
-- back -- -- -- that's how many angels dance on ahead and get it because the -- for me to understand really all about god.
As I can and try and understand the Internet effect I don't have -- and brain capacity if I could understand how.
God really work I'd be got an I've found one of the greatest source of stress relief from my life is to repeat this three times every day.
God is god and I'm not or god is god and I'm not Merry Christmas -- very presidency -- -- they gave us thank you.
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