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Well a brand new study on faith.
To share with you this Christmas Eve and it has some very interesting findings chief among them that.
People with no religious affiliation are now the third largest group in the world coming in just after Christians and Muslims.
Pastor Robert -- he is he pastor of the first Baptist Church in Dallas and he's also a nationally syndicated radio and television has -- -- valley.
-- Spiro is the author that pushed back -- claiming our American Judeo Christian -- spirits.
And he's also the president of caucus for American thank you both for joining us.
Thank you for happiness so first of all I would ask you that doesn't that -- surprise you that people with -- no.
Religious affiliation are now ranks third in the world.
And rabbi I'll begin with you.
Well it is surprising it's very worrisome but you know for many people especially those that are secular they've adopted a new religion -- called liberalism.
Left liberalism is providing them by an outlook and attitude towards life at it's not necessarily sourced and our Judeo Christian ethos.
Not only for people as individuals but for the nation because -- nation needs an identity it needs a morality.
Our identity is always come from the old and new testament to Judeo Christian ethos and morality is always best.
When it is based on God's word otherwise morality can slide into moral relativism.
And Patrick -- have it has seemed that you agree.
I do agree with the rabbi.
I would take have a little bit different take on this though from what we're experiencing in our own church first Baptist Church in Dallas.
And that is that people seem to be reluctant to put a religious label on themselves.
Our church is growing tremendously right now we're getting ready to open a 130 million dollar campus on five blocks of downtown Dallas and the reason we're growing this.
We're having people from all different religious backgrounds -- Catholics Methodist Episcopalians.
And they're coming to our church because we don't emphasize being -- Baptist we don't talk about that.
We talk about being a follower of Christ and we don't teach some man made creed we teach the Bible and what I'm fighting is.
People are hungry not for religion they're hungry for -- relationship with god and I believe.
Any -- church or synagogue that offers that is going to attract.
And rabbi -- -- you you know -- tell you about the future of religion in our daily lives we look at that the news headlines that we've experienced you know the mass shooting at -- -- the shooting happening today in New York.
With the firefighters.
What do you think about the future of religion when these studies it talked about the median age you know specifically I can pull out Judy -- them.
Which has fourteen million adherents up point 2% of the entire world it has the highest median age at this point -- 36.
So what do you think -- the growth aspects there.
Well in order for to grow we have to assert the importance of religion there's more to life -- simply being a good person.
And -- religion offers you as a relationship with god and an understanding of what is right -- what is wrong.
A life without god as a diminished life in my opinion.
But I think that we need to assert this more and we've been remiss we just relied a lot on feel good as them as if that itself.
Is enough for being a good person says the feel good is that it should be replaced with why.
I think historical traditional religion which has a message what is right what is wrong about what truly is.
Our our our way to a relationship with god and that of course to make the world better but it's very important for the nation the nation was founded on -- Judeo Christian ethos which -- specific.
And it has more to do would just simply feel good is that.
And pat Patrick Jeffers we only have about 32 -- -- final word from -- Well I wouldn't say as a final words you know this tragedy in Connecticut is proof -- I believe.
What happens when we don't have that foundation that the rabbi talked about I was debating.
A beleaguered American atheist association.
And I said you know the fact that evil occurs and you care about it proves the existence of god.
Because why is it we call evil evil there's no evolutionary.
Explanation for -- it's because we've been created in the image of a god.
Who absolutely hates evil.
And I believe both the rabbi and I have the same message in this -- and that is we believe our relationship with god.
Is what gives full on this meaning and morality to life and to this holiday season thank -- -- for joining us we appreciate the message today.
Thank you thank you.
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