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The president's reported.
I get that from free comment not sitting well -- anti tax crusader Grover Norquist this -- joins us now let me stay on this other thing that that Ed Henry just pointed out.
They've known for a couple of days of the president was -- -- likely leave Hawaii come back fly and drop into Washington DC in May be trying to save America from falling off the fiscal cliff.
How does the president win this.
Optics war Grover.
Well it's all politics I mean he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense.
When you talk about plans a B and -- the Republicans have actually -- passed plan a which is the Ryan.
Bill the Ryan budget the Ryan plan.
That -- six trillion dollars over the next decade it reforms entitlements it reforms taxes doesn't raise them -- reforms and without raising.
Raising taxes on people so that's the plan is actually written down that's passed the house representatives and has strong support among Republicans in the senate.
The alternative to that is nothing.
Yeah we don't let's not get past and we don't know second pesticide and and we also noted that the White House is that a sign that lets move on from there here's what my contentions -- -- -- -- additional -- alarm alarming just won't work with me here it is very important question at the end of this.
So let's say pres Obama says we're gonna go off the fiscal cliff we go off the cliff all the tax cuts expire sequestration what ever may -- a kick.
That's and we down the right here's the question now.
If President Obama -- says.
I'm going to put in the tax cuts for anyone making.
Dollars a year on -- called Obama tax cuts.
Will Republicans say no to voting for a tax cut.
The interesting question is of course what that comes where we're at the beginning of a conversation.
Not at the end of -- conversation.
Because we have to decide what to do with the bush tax cuts that's one thing.
We have to decide to do what to do with the trillion dollars of Obama care tax increases.
Very few people are talking about this but there's a trillion dollars of tax increases that Obama the Democrats passed before the last election.
And 90% of those tax hikes were delayed conveniently.
-- after the president out of safely themselves safely reelected.
Then we've got the massive spending the eight trillion dollars in debt that Obama's running up over the next decade.
Republicans have several tools.
Not -- -- this right now they have very little leverage in this debate over -- -- up over the fiscal class because that stuff happens automatically.
But the idea of the debt ceiling increase they've told Obama more than once if you wanted trillion dollars in higher debt and he's gonna need that eight times in the next decade.
You have to cut spending a trillion dollars.
Everybody here right here that I'll I'll ask again and it in the story I'm a Republican congressman I've I've -- -- tax pledge.
To not raise taxes if someone approaches me -- -- here's that here's a bill that says some.
You if you sign this we will cut taxes for 90% America.
How -- you signal that can use possibly -- my point is this field I think the administration is winning the war of optics if they just played out this way.
Do they not win.
But they've won the war -- optics so far because everything's been done in camera and done.
Waltz if C span and fox and C you know were able -- to videotape the negotiations.
That kind of thing we're learning now about how Obama's -- I have no interest in cutting spending that is one tax increases he's been lying for two months about his negotiating position.
Inside the room if people knew that.
There -- there'd be a very serious unhappiness on his lack of seriousness with.
Cutting spending -- if the -- that negotiations from here router on C span the president loses if we keep having secret meetings that he then gets to explain what happened.
He loses because the establishment press -- historic -- to comment.
Weighing in on president Obama's saying when when -- speaker Boehner offered 800 billion dollars and in.
You know increase revenues.
-- Obama coming back and say no.
I get those for free.
Well we've we've only been through that's three times in 1982.
Reagan got cake and he put.
Tax increases on the table the Democrats took the tax increases spending what -- Eight years later bush was offered two dollars of tax increases for every dollar.
-- that's -- two dollars and spending cuts for every dollar tax increase spending cuts never happen the tax increases dead.
-- bail was offered one to one.
Not only are the phony spending cuts -- they think it's smaller right.
Right each time we run into one of these the gatekeeper a -- -- negotiation to walk into they keep moving goalposts where -- -- to leave their Grover Norquist thank you.
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