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Thanks for staying with -- I'm Greg -- in for Bill O'Reilly and in the unresolved problem segment tonight.
Following the new town shooting massacre there's been an increase pushed for new gun control laws.
California democratic senator Dianne Feinstein is leading the charge.
What do you say to people who support that the right to own arms.
Then this is the camel's nose under the tent and the next thing you'll be after concealed carry weapons will be after other kinds of -- -- Well -- just not true it wasn't true with the prior bill that was -- law for ten years and I just think candidly.
That dog doesn't hunt.
Why shouldn't it be true why wouldn't -- want to go after those other -- because that's not what I've done in the past and it's not what I'm doing right now.
However senator feinstein's proposed legislation calls for finger printing thousands of gun owners as well as banning the sale of more than 100 types of guns.
Joining us now from Washington Larry Pratt the executive director of Gun Owners of America -- wonder how he feels about this.
And in studio Alexis -- -- jobs in the executive director of the American values institute a progressive group.
So Larry I go to you first I -- you think this lot.
Is a great idea.
-- indeed even though we've had a declining murder rate in the United States and even though are violent crime rate is less where.
People are more able to get guns and even though Connecticut has the very kind of law that senator Feinstein wants.
Somehow we're to believe that her and by the way I got to admire her in one way.
Not only did she not get her.
Semi auto ban to stick the last time it was.
Allowed to go off the books.
Now she wants to come back with one on steroids.
I wish there were people on my side of the aisle that had that kind of tenacity so senator Feinstein hats off to -- What do you say Alexis I mean I yelled to me it's not unreasonable to know where the guns are at the same time I don't know if I want Eric Holder to be the guy without list collect.
I think I think first of all we know that that almost 40% of guns in this country are being sold by unlicensed dealers right so we're not getting.
-- I universal background checks things that actually could make a difference in helping us reduce crime.
We're not yet 75% of states are also able to ignore a lot of the mental illness requirements and things that that the gun lobby and people like Larry and sell our.
Are making as and the -- is that that we need to it to be supporting more understanding of what's happening with the mental boost community.
But I mean I think honestly -- felt I felt weapons in general are a very small percentage.
Of guns you know gun owners.
The reality is banning them is not gonna make a huge difference for people who couldn't use weapons in and and support the Second Amendment.
What do you say Larry got a big deal.
The last time we tried this idea the semi -- that were used in crime declined from 3% of crimes.
So there was a two thirds reduction in crime using these guns but the fact of the matter is these guns also were used by the Korean merchants.
When the police weren't able to protect them during the Los Angeles riots.
These same kinds of guns protected people.
Outside of New Orleans after Katrina these same kind of guns protected people in say South Florida after hurricanes there.
And it's a pretty cavalier attitude toward human safety.
To say that these guns are not needed -- not use when in fact when that society has come apart as it has from time to time after these disasters.
They're the only way to be sure you're going to be around with your property and your life intact.
Is that kind of I made the a lot of this is semantics and I'm not sure I know when an assault weapon isn't in what -- something becomes an assault weapon because they all kill.
So I need.
Why can't this weapon be seen as protection the way he's talking about it that that's what do that's what the primary use of its four right.
Or I'm I'm sure it is about protection and a lot of people's minds and I think if we're really so concerned about protection we should be investing border police officers we should be investing -- people.
True you know post disasters.
Are are there and ready to -- to help us reduce crime in a meaningful way.
And I think that that 3% to 1% decline actually I think that there's there's a study that has -- with a 7% decrying the client is very meaningful and when -- do it for me it's like.
I want to get rid of at at least one opportunity for Newton or now borrow -- column buying -- we don't we don't need to -- Talk about the percentage and decrease we need to create an opportunity where.
We're -- we're not allowing people to use assault weapons that we'll have.
Tremendous impact in terms of killing multiple people at a time that's.
Any Larry is that it that's the real question here does this actually is this a symbolic act.
Or does it actually have any real effect on preventing massacres that's the question and I'm not so sure it does.
I what is facilitated massacres is not.
These semi automatic rifles what has facilitated massacres and we can see from the last twenty years and more.
That all of these mass shootings these mass murders have occurred in legally gun free zones.
And -- town was the same as school where nobody was able to have a gun even if they had a concealed carry permit which you can get in Connecticut.
Nobody was able to shoot back they had to wait some twenty minutes for the police to get there.
That's unacceptable that's what happens when we disarm ourselves and think well no defense is a good defense.
That's a lethal.
-- -- -- this is an -- think there might actually be some common ground here where people who are four guns like Larry and you see people like Barbara Boxer.
Are coming together about the idea of protecting schools and that may -- the idea of a gun free zone.
Is ridiculous -- we saw the newspaper that printed people's addresses and what that did was it angered people who didn't have guns who are now seen as vulnerable to going wait a second I want people to think that I haven't -- So is that is there a common ground here we can decide officers more officers and schools.
Protect our kids the way we protect piers Morgan CNN the most -- the most anti gun guy around who surrounded by security.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I -- people who are trained to use guns people who we set standards for you've -- like police officers like our soldiers like our US military.
To be to have begun not not your every day American you know the latter on people because I think about I think the real problem is actually of it it's the gun lobby at people like.
Like Larry Pratt and candidly right -- Larry are you all you got evil Larry I think that this -- talent.
I'm challenge is that that most of these associations actually represent gun manufacturers not gotten hundreds and when you look well either great and -- an event.
You're welcome this is the do you -- you look at the great majority of the polls around and around gun ownership people who -- guns systematically important.
Bans on assault weapon highly and on that -- Johnson thank you so much mr.
Brad it's up now.
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