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DIA there -- some -- developments in the Iran nuclear showdown the -- to talk to you about.
The US -- again tightening the economic news by -- new sanctions against Iran.
And this time these sanctions target key industries in the within the country.
I'm making it closer some say to a true trade embargo all this comes amid some new signs that Iran now wants to talk.
Joining us now Peter Brookes senior fellow of national security affairs at the -- foundation former CIA officer as well.
-- -- And a little bit of it at different direction are these sanctions.
Making us safer now.
Well done much of they're making us safer now I mean I think certainly they're getting.
Much more punitive than they've ever been so whether they gonna break the nuclear -- -- -- -- -- Iran's supreme leader remains to be seen but there's no doubt congress is moving the administration aggressively.
In the direction.
What is starting to look like a trade embargo on Iran and non humanitarian trade embargo and explain why that's different than what we've seen before.
Well the sanctions today that really targeted individual arriving in companies -- Iranians are really brilliant.
At circumventing sanctions are playing a game of catch me if you can by using front companies to circumvent these restrictions these new sanctions.
Go after sectors of the Iranian economy.
Key industrial sectors like energy and shipbuilding and ports that really provide the revenue in the support that Iran needs for its proliferation activities.
For terrorism and for its vast system of human rights repression and Peter we just checking the box is it's just that does this stats that are necessary.
Towards the run -- two to war.
Well look -- we've been -- this is the triumph of hope over experience I have no problem with tougher sanctions on Iran.
It is -- it's an important effort but the fact of the matter is we've been negotiating with a -- since 2003.
2003 that's almost ten years now so once again -- as we do these sort of things Iran can -- -- centrifuges continue to spin.
They continue to work on their Intercontinental ballistic missile program which many believe they'll have -- a missile capable of reaching United States by 2015.
We're now closer to that when -- -- -- -- have a warhead program I mean what are they gonna get to that point so the problem here is is that we keep talking to Iran Iran likes to talk to us because it it just it just it gives them more time.
Time is on their side and I just don't see this making a huge difference in Iran's nuclear program and I think this administration's policy has failed so far.
Mark do you agree.
Let you know I do agree with Peter -- -- so far this sanctions imposed a severe economic cost on.
Iranian economy but we didn't design sanctions to impose.
Economic -- we designed sanctions to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program and there's no evidence today that Peter said the sanctions and actually change -- escort calculus of this regime.
I do think what's important -- sanctions coercive diplomacy.
And a credible threat of military force to mean this administration -- to make it very clear that the president.
The new secretary of defense have to make it very clear that unless -- come and they were Lance United States will destroy militarily.
Iran's nuclear weapons program.
-- W bush we're gonna come Macintosh is a little later on about some of these new choices and how it figures into this team that the president is putting together.
For a second term Peter honestly can't just look at Iran.
By itself an isolation we offset a look at what's going on in Syria president -- turns out this week anything they got a new deal for everybody.
You know come with me I'll remain in power things will be better how does -- Syria issue complicate -- figure and to what's going on with the -- in the broader picture of the region.
Well actually Iran has tried to tie Syria into the nuclear negotiations.
Remember we talked to them a couple times last year I think three or so -- -- three rounds of talks.
And they've tried to include that in because it's very very important to them.
That Iran I mean it's Syria under Bashar Assad survive what's going on what's going on there because Iran is trying to become the hegemonic northern most the dominant power -- part of the world and their influence increasing influence in Iraq.
There influence in Syria and desired influence and and Lebanon would give them a tremendous amount but capability and influence in in the Middle East so yet it's very very important and needs two things are connected.
And it raises -- the conversation though the center of all of this which is is whether or not we're safe.
And if we're gonna be safer and 2013 and we were in 2012.
So mark we're hearing again that Iran.
Maybe it's giving the indications maybe we can believe them.
That they want to talk again how do you proceed.
Well you know they've been as Peter said they've been talking to last for -- for a decade and we've -- no further only only their nuclear program has gotten further.
I think a lot Iran is at the epicenter of this challenge it represents the most significant threat to American national security.
And unfortunately ministry edition has really subcontracted.
Our national security -- regional players like Cotter.
And Turkey and others who have been supporting the Islamist forces in Syria.
And now we have this competition between an Iran supported aside.
And his lavish supported al-Qaeda opposition in Syria we've given no support to the liberal opposition we gave -- no support they moderates.
Dead Syria ends are a testament to the fact that we provided no support to those who represent American values and -- a -- -- American values.
-- and that's a failure Peter quickly can we change -- can we change that happen if you if you believe that mark says.
Is the -- changeable -- and now.
Well it's it's never too late but I don't think it's going to change Jimmy is here if you -- you like Egypt you're gonna like Syria because it's going to be worse than Egypt I don't think any of the futures for Syria are good in fact I think they can be much worse than what we're seeing in.
Egypt today and this administration just hasn't done a good job on its middle east policy.
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