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Morning I'm Doug shown and I'm here with my friend and colleague.
John globally are unfortunately.
Our third colleague here and certainly a friend about the -- Patrick -- is MIA today he is traveling two give a speech on the call -- whatever cause may be.
In Texas so we will be without him but he'll be back fusion was assigned.
Sunday at 530 on Fox News Channel and of course next Monday here.
But John and I are here -- wanted to try to do today is something a little bit different than what we've done before.
And I think we're -- lean on John's expertise is a former.
Republican member of the house and very.
Active participant in the house -- to try to figure out.
What it is that actually happened to the Republican Party during the -- you know the -- it was supposed to be a debt and deficit and budget deal but it became.
Attacks the I think you've tried our best to put up -- does slide to the fiscal cliff deal I would Gallup poll.
Yeah -- shows that 43%.
The American people approved of the deal 45.
Disapprove 12% no opinion.
Evenly split but if we go to number one and I think this is our point of departure spend a little time on this one.
Among Democrats 67%.
Almost a mirror image of the numbers for the Republicans.
Which were 65 disapprove and 27 -- Independence were a narrowly against 46.
Approved but bottom line this as the Republicans were more than two to one against and Democrats.
Or -- the one in favor John what's your take of.
-- but that I'm so happy we open up with that because the senate Republicans overwhelmingly voted for this deal this thing really -- -- it was initiated with Mitch McConnell.
And Joseph Biden making a deal.
They could not only pass the senate but that they came and could pass the house with enough Republican votes to pass over there and it dead.
And to get to this.
Internal Republican problems the night this thing passed in the senate which I believe was a week ago yesterday I think was last Sunday.
Before the ink is dry Eric Cantor announces I'm against the deal what does that mean it's.
Playing for our viewers.
What it means when.
Mitch McConnell and the vice president do a deal and what it means when the house majority leader opposes a deal.
That has been negotiated by leadership.
Including the then speaker John Boehner who at the very least had already signed on to -- it means there is a divided leadership in the House Republican Conference and if you are a regular member of the house not in the leadership.
You're sitting there are saying -- this is great I can vote against it and hide behind cataract and vote for hide behind Boehner.
What does it mean to say -- -- what I'm not out there on my own exposed if fight taking controversial position is one of the things you don't normally wanna do is be alone.
In voting for or against something safest vote always to make is against vote no.
You can't get hurt by voting no vote no on anything he could go home -- I was against us I was against that but it's not always the right vote.
You know so what was the right vote here.
What former Republican point of your -- this bill is a disaster wise of the disaster aka.
And then we're gonna go inside the conference more billion this bill was none of the things the Republicans said they had -- it.
First all of the big picture we go back to August -- -- eleven.
The debt ceiling vote was coming -- And the Republican stood up to the president who is very unpopular -- and they said we want spending cuts and he said you're not getting what you want and they had this fight.
And they couldn't agree but it was all based on debt reduction this is what's been driving our politics since the Tea Party came into existence.
Reducing the national debt.
They don't do anything they put it off told this past January 1 we do this deal does this cut the federal debt.
Does this address today than I -- get races it raises it three point nine trillion dollar so the federal government including Republicans.
Say they want to reduce debt they pass a bill that increases death.
That summarizes what's wrong with government they try to fix a problem they make the problem worse and why did they vote for -- -- They didn't all vote for.
Those that know me -- he's among Republicans there were a lot of no bonuses out -- in the senate -- voted for because of the alternative if they don't vote for we go over the fiscal Clough.
The markets react badly to business people wanted to -- past.
They warned to -- the fiscal cliff that put heavy pressure on Republicans.
If you're a Tea Party congressman.
You -- make it up.
Say that Jason Chavous he's Tea Party Republican out there he's not worried about losing the seat.
Next time around but he's worried about losing a primary.
If he votes for.
A tax increase which this bill was even though was only on a small group of people so.
They voted no other Republicans voted yes because they're more mainstream thus the divide of the Republican Party.
Tea Party Republicans.
They don't have a lot in common.
What happened in the caucus what you remember there are -- I think was on the first there was this brief flurry.
That they were gonna send it to the senate for amendment it didn't get sentence what happened.
-- the senate told them he can't we're not gonna take it up -- so if you don't pass this thing.
It's going over the cliff and it's on you it's on the house Republicans what will -- they take that to mean politically.
When you say it's on you it's on you that we will have the stock market tanking.
The economy slowing maybe go back to recession and clear blame will be on the Republicans.
In that house.
And so they were afraid.
In the house the -- years so that voted for the other ball was a bad deal for the reasons you cited that it would be even -- us not to vote for right.
Right and the Tea Party guys so I don't buy any actors that -- -- focus you've gone to see them very nice very young often idealistic.
But a little bit on -- what fear of the future.
They don't care went experts come to them and say and I'm gonna give you an example of of the minute when they -- -- -- these guys in the conference.
If you don't look for the -- the economy's going down and big business says he comes -- you know what these Tea Party guys got I don't believe.
I don't agree with this any thing the establishment tries to sell -- I rejected automatically.
So my question to you is what's next -- we're sitting here now.
-- raise taxes.
On the wealthy -- -- point.
7% of the population is paying 40%.
Of the taxes now what's gonna happen with the -- of that's -- coming in February and the sequestration right after -- on March 1.
And it it if you're hosting become IA asked the -- put numbers for office I answer your question number four is say the Rasmussen poll on spending cuts should be considered in every federal government -- 62%.
That's pretty big number so what does that say the Republicans will do what -- the implication well.
If you follow that -- Doug you would say hi is a Republican.
In the debt ceiling vote and let -- -- to the present.
In order from -- -- and agree to increase the debt ceiling you Mr.
President have to agree to cut spending in every federal program.
Lindsey Graham yesterday said we should cut the exact amount of spending that we're gonna increase the debt ceiling which is not gonna happen.
That would be if we increase in debt ceiling I'll take an easy number one trillion didn't.
We would cut a trillion out of the federal budget that's impossible to do you can't do -- there's a three and a half trillion dollar budget.
We're not gonna cut a third -- but in one year -- it would be that would not be good.
What my point of bringing this poll up here was even though the public says cut spending I predict to you there will be no spending cuts.
Could be some symbolic stuff but they're not really Republicans relent on the ducks and yes warrant.
Same reason and it'll be done the same one for fear that if they don't do it -- we then do you fault and the Republicans get.
All the political points and you're saying once again the Republicans are gonna get.
Rolled -- but -- And Obama has said he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling that I don't understand I -- he can say that but his job is chief negotiator he represents the executive branch against the legislative branch.
It's pro score a -- that they negotiate I don't know what he's talking about other than arrogance you -- I think that that's exactly where I think his.
Approaches to sit there and say I've won on president won the election I'm not -- default do you have to back down.
So is there any leverage for the report -- they had more leverage after the election with this let's say -- the republic.
Republicans had some leverage with the president on tax increases.
Which was this to say Mr.
President you won the election we know that.
But we also got reelected and in our political position is we're not gonna go for tax rate increases on any -- We've all signed this Grover Norquist pledge if you're asking us to break this pledge.
For us to do it is going to be very difficult we have to have something back in return give us.
Some major spending concession like the chain CPI now.
That was on the tents -- -- -- CPI would be a formula -- used to calculate the cost of living allowance every year when it changes for Social Security.
Based on inflation and all.
And the present and apparently was willing the left and like it but Obama was willing to change that formula which would save.
Hundreds of billions of dollars.
For years to come in the cost of Social Security it would be something that the Republicans can say what -- Like -- -- before we got some spending cuts and let's.
But poll number three up if -- cash and John I'd ask you to look at this one.
And say what are the American people saying here are Smart.
What do they start they're Smart they know that what you are saying this is correct which is that for all the bluster of Republican politicians we've got to cut spending elect me and I'll vote to cut spending.
They never cut spending.
They had power with bush.
They -- the president say the White House.
House and senate at all that.
Did they cut spending.
Now they increased spending they created six to eight trillion of this sixteen dollar -- -- are two parties that are.
-- believe they have their loved Batman and I have no faith.
That they will cut any spending or really go to the match the time they should've done it was while just said.
Will give up this tax increase saying Mr.
For Simpson Bowles or something that puts us on a trajectory.
Fiscal policies that -- -- it.
Is there any hope for the Republican Party until now -- no.
I mean I'm not really I don't see what they stand for that other than opposition to Obama bright they don't.
Obviously believe any more -- no no new taxes or no higher tax -- given that.
On spending cuts I don't think -- really ever believed that the only difference between a Republican and Democrat might -- Republicans would vote to slow the rate of growth of some of these programs a little more aggressively than Democrats may -- That's about it.
So -- against what were really saying is as we sit.
Before they elected a right after the election Republicans had some leverage right they've decided unilaterally give it up unilaterally gave it up.
They voted for a bed bill.
They're -- -- rolled on the debt ceiling they're probably not to be doing me about spending their balanced budget and they're in a position that.
Really they're betting on the economy failing.
As the only means of differentiating themselves for the mid term election.
And if the economy fails.
They you know -- if Al -- ultimately is the president presents gonna get the lion's share of the blame but the Republicans are equally complicit.
And I don't know why.
Mid term elections one thing but we've talked about it on here that were headed if this thing tanks.
Where this such discussed by the people towards both parties.
Someone can come out of right field and run against both parties and say these guys were complicit in ruining our economy would stop on that point we will take a brief break will be back with you with.
This is Doug -- I'm back with my friend and colleague John globally and I wanna take up the news of the -- charm.
Chuck Hagel nominated for secretary of defense.
Does this nomination.
Go forward -- succeed.
Does the president get we wants.
What's -- well it's going to be contentious because of things that Chuck Hagel was former Republican senator from Nebraska we know that -- -- Vietnam vet.
A former senator sales through confirmation or of -- -- like John Kerry's gonna sail.
Through his confirmation for secretary of state even the opposition party votes for the guy in the senate they always -- except.
John Tower was the most recent one who was a womanizer and a drinker.
And we had Teddy -- of all people voting against them on his warmup -- and is drinking but.
-- goal will be in trouble because of positions he's taken on Israel Iran.
The statement he made about ambassador to be hormel being -- gay aggressively -- aggressively get back in 98.
The beginning of this thing you would say this guy's in trouble but I've seen it enough that when he gets to go schmooze the senators.
One on one.
And then in the hearings.
They can often diffuse a lot of this opposition.
By saying while I was saying this under the circumstance here's what I really think he can moderate -- -- a little bit.
I predict he will be confirmed confirmed narrowly or we barrel and that he will be -- And what do you think -- the judgment by Obama.
Why did Obama pick cable what's this -- because of some of these polls we put up a minute ago there's going to be spending cuts and a lot of things.
That Obama wants to cut that the house and senate don't want Republicans don't wanna cut one of them as pentagon spent so have a Republican do the cards have him be the face of the cuts and a Vietnam that.
I mean this guy was in combat in Vietnam -- -- this is say.
War veteran with medals who can say we can we need to cut so are there.
Ask you the question we talked about yesterday.
Have the Democrats counted heads has the president spoken to Harry Reid and if so what do you think the conversation was like.
We enact the conversation per -- or -- you would say Doug there was no confrontation I'm not sure otherwise OK but if there.
Was the president would talk diary -- saying Harry I'm I'm gonna I'm thinking -- nominating Chuck Hagel for sect Def.
How we doing with that how will we get the votes and Reid knows right away what he can deliver or not.
And it -- -- said Bill Walton your problems on the other side of the Yahoo! better talk to McConnell which case he calls the president calls Biden -- He says Joseph asked Mitch can you get enough -- does not need any Republican.
Votes to confirm.
Clusters of filibuster.
Do you think the Republicans will -- -- not.
Why don't hand I don't I think that why why not explain why that is John.
They technically can hold this thing for a long time they can fight Obama.
But I'd I don't get the feeling to that there's this animosity personally on the right.
Towards pay go now I might be wrong there certainly was animosity toward Susan Rice that was white hot after she went up to the hill.
And met with Kelly a Lindsey Graham and and and and McCain they came out of that and they were furious at her.
Chuck Hagel -- politician he's been.
The senator for quite awhile from Nebraska he's gonna go in and talk to each of these senators and calm them down.
I I just don't think there's going to be a passion against them but maybe I'm wrong.
Well I think I will say I think you're ultimately right think the Democrats will hang.
-- I think there is a presumption in our system.
That the president's choice is confirmable.
And confirmed unless there's a reason not to now I think it may be a little awkward for some of the senators from new York New Jersey Connecticut Florida.
For -- given his comments about negotiating with Hamas and Hezbollah -- opposing sanctions on Iran.
-- talking about the Jewish lobby but again.
If -- or a senator.
Even in the majority.
And the president wants something.
You know that it'll be held against you for the next forty years and that's not an exaggeration.
You know if you -- -- earlier Venus if you vote against Obama's pick Obama's going to be.
Probably a sound and logical basis for -- -- position now.
John one of these we have not done and would I haven't done enough out here on political insiders is what I would call cultural update on politics.
You saw Lincoln did and didn't feel after you because I -- his unit CNET and recommend what did you affect us a terrific moment.
What what -- love Lincoln what was your take away about Lincoln as a political actor from the well first of -- you know Obama has try to compare himself to Lincoln and he is no Lincoln as the movie shows because.
What this movie if if you go to it shows is the president.
Totally involved in every aspect.
Of passing a key piece -- legislation.
Ultimately the thirteenth amendment.
But he's counting heads.
He's trying to convince congress people to come along and deals and making deals and has that the character played by James Spader.
Who is the I'm thinking of those guys in the Watergate here dirt digging.
Semi criminal out there digging up dirt on congressman to use to blackmail from the vote for -- That that's the LBJ style of legislative.
-- So I thought it was.
And then -- on the big picture of Lincoln the great man who devoted his political life to a cause.
Of saving the country saving the union and in the process abolishing slavery all of it is tremendous so.
Can't given Lincoln.
My question is the -- How did you react to the news that Al Gore.
Had sold current TV for 500 million to Al-Jazeera.
Pocketing a hundred million -- a deal that closed before the tax deal was completed and up.
Well my in initial reaction was everything about Al Gore turns me off.
Him personally his -- on the sort of labeling the opposite of the great statesman.
That we admire and he's not the only one all these politicians.
These guys -- run these acts.
They're all in it for the -- How where someone who's in politics.
To do a good thing for the -- run on the scene.
Who do you think is.
Really putting the broader public interest ahead of partisanship -- -- there are true and now -- -- when I was in congress.
Who was pressed to erupt -- -- guy that I had actually nothing in -- -- who use then ran for his seat.
Rosen -- right.
Was one of the most outstanding human beings I met -- so I'm not that liberal -- democratic.
Jewish Democrat from queens.
And I became a friend of citizen would eat lunch with them and he was an older fell -- and -- guy cared about the country and there are older guys in the house and senate who really do and they're good but there -- fewer of them and their use of it so.
Zahn now -- wanna turn to another issue and I I need your guidance and interviewers the viewers would benefit from it.
Sandy what happened.
With the same be released bill why -- Peter King Chris Christie and Andrew Cuomo why did they turn on Boehner.
And what was going on there.
Kenyan born in my personal -- the bill had been passed in the senate.
Was sixty billion dollars mean.
And the senate bill.
Had flood insurance and other stuff and it and they sent it over to the house and the house.
-- they were gonna vote on it in the middle of the debt ceiling vote last Monday Tuesday.
Tuesday Wednesday January 1 and second -- technically the night.
A January 2.
They vote to do this thing we just talked about the debt ceiling bill the tax anchors.
And after that they.
Fought the Peter -- thought we'll get to the -- -- And they called John Boehner and Boehner won't take the call Christie calls won't take to call I now find that Eric Cantor the majority leader.
Could not get the speaker on the telephone.
Now this is unheard of for me when the majority leader of the -- they don't get along -- their.
They don't get along but apparently they do talk all the time and other have to -- now that night they want to also you've got.
McConnell I'm sure you've got.
-- not talking to Derrick Caracter right.
You have McConnell not -- -- a -- not talking to Boehner.
Harry Reid not talking to McConnell right Obama not wanting to negotiate a very bright and big key guy has become Joseph Biden of -- -- -- right who is the facilitator.
In this dysfunctional.
Being able to get along with the Republicans.
Better than the Republicans get along with feature we have in -- in the -- pork or lead them not to -- considerate initially via legitimate hurricane relief that didn't get done they dysfunctional political system out.
Al Gore not equally Abe Lincoln by a wall and shot and -- economic situation where we've done nothing about the debt the deficit.
We haven't approached our problems.
And my concern John and I think you've done an admirable job explaining to our viewers today what's going on.
Is that the large scale problems of America are not being addressed because of these petty concerns are combined.
With the fact that our international standing looks ridiculous right.
Right up by the -- by the what you asked me if there's a politician.
On the scene who cares about the -- give you want.
Because he's no longer -- -- bill club.
I think that's absolutely Bill Clinton.
Can speak as he can't run anymore so he doesn't care he speaks the truth and it's the truth -- Republican -- question we gotta go death will Hillary Clinton run in 26 of course -- should be elected.
We'll stop there for John why -- we -- and it's.
I'm Doug John and -- can doubt we'll be back up next week thank you for joining us on campaign insiders see a 530 on the Fox News Channel.
On Sunday and then back here 10:30 Monday morning with political insiders thanks for joining us.
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