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No one -- go ahead and use our panel here we have it the genie Zdeno inner and dean -- school of the arts and sciences at Iona College.
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We'll let you come out thinking and Bob -- joining -- managing partner of -- capital can follow him on Twitter at Bob rice thirty.
And Judy Miller they art Fox News contributor act at JM free speech.
As they sit guys at vice president Joseph Biden is going to be beginning a round of talks today the senator around.
Gun control really trying to curb.
Violence and particularly with these terrible shootings that we've been dealing with the -- in and saying look elementary school in Connecticut still really resonating with a lot of our viewers.
Judy we'll start with you.
Do you think this is an added weight -- and hinges start things off by.
It -- meetings today in a meeting with NRA tomorrow.
Guess I do because Joseph Biden seems to be the only person whom all sides are talking to now I -- you have.
Senate leadership which is not talking to one another and they're not talking to Republicans or Democrats the White House isn't talking to -- so you have this very neutral.
If sometimes.
Comical thing -- Joseph Biden who has the knack of politics and who can seem to get things done.
If there's a compromise to be -- care I think Joseph Biden is one of the best people to try and do that.
And he have a do you think he's the right person be doing that Phil I agree I think he's the -- personally think the bigger question quite frankly is released only public policy in this country and I think this is gonna be available testing ground for that.
This is -- very divisive issue we've seen the last congress was not able to make steps strides forward in terms of making public policy.
In terms of compromising and I think that's the real question yes he's got a hold these meetings yes I hope they are productive I hope that we can't see her -- a safer country.
But that said can we get policy out of this congress and also out of the White House I think it's going to be the bigger question.
So I think Joseph Biden is the right person but that set this have to go to congress have to pass and I think the question is can we get that done and I have my serious -- -- pessimistic in the new year.
I NN are you thinking bodman said that this is something that we need to be talking about here today -- and it should be pushed back a little while you know obviously we're word.
Concerned about our children hill you know our future but we also have also have a lot fiscal -- -- that we're dealing.
-- -- -- as we we discussed more in the future first half the problem with our society is we have collected eight ED.
I mean if we push this off you're gonna have to say -- was that the -- was that the shooting what was that again.
And -- that's the sad truth of the fact of the matter and look we're having innocent people.
And needlessly killed.
Almost literally every day right now in this country every I think you're sort of and what's funny about to -- this to me -- I don't think there is such a divided country.
I think that.
There is consensus around the idea that people should it be able to have handguns and in their homes and -- for self defense and rifles and shotguns.
For hunting.
But I don't think anybody really supports having a significant number of people support the idea that weapons of war should be freely available.
And that they are talking about things that go far beyond that they're talking about background checks they're talking about limiting ammunition clips there -- talking about things that really go to the heart of what.
People who believe in the Second Amendment think they are kind of core values and I finally I ate my position on gun control I think is rather well known I am before -- However I do understand.
Me slippery slope fears of the NRA and the people who really feel.
That eight tragedy is being quote exploited I happen not to share that view but I understand it.
Right although I have a horse coming can't be interest in -- when you think I don't really you know.
I'm -- to the right if you want your basic point of view but I don't see what the -- what the big problem is the background checks and I certainly don't see with the big problem is.
-- limiting ammunition clips to the same ammunition clips of new York city police.
Sometimes that seems reasonable.
We'll have to the president is already called on congress -- -- to reinstate a ban on military style assault weapons close loopholes love them back to -- background checks and restrict high capacity magazine.
It what else do you think if we need to be taking a look at -- Well one thing I think is really important is I think when the NRA came out and make their statement -- after sandy hook I think doesn't unfortunately a lot of ridicule about the statement.
And I think you know -- can be criticized -- many grounds.
But I think I'm hopeful that Joseph Biden and others leading this charge to make policy are looking at that carefully because they did open the -- -- -- -- the NRA has not been passed.
To making serious policy proposals and I think it's unfortunate as much as they agree that time is right to do this now.
I think you also get into it kind of a problem where.
That kid you don't muddy the waters so to speak so I hope that that statement is looked at seriously.
And that we are able to get going people who -- -- -- you know gun rights and gun ownership to the table.
Even congress to -- -- -- serious discussion about how we can go for -- and I think their work.
Avenues to do that and that statement but I think the media unfortunately in large part.
You know we know that they say this is I don't misappropriated some of what he said and I think that that's unfortunate that can muddy the waters to a certain -- you're shaking your head.
Well I just and you know which part of the statement are you talking about there -- this.
At this at this.
The statement that we have to do something and something must be done that hello that's the crown reality and ground.
Truth political ground truth after sandy hook.
But the second thing he proposed.
Was putting armed guards in in elementary schools and public schools all over the country.
And the media I think legitimately focused on that because I think kids but since.
And a very disturbing.
Idea.
And I think that's exactly that type of thing is very divisive and what what I called muddying the waters I think the idea put up security in the schools that many police commissioner and others -- -- that's not workable that's not doable it's not that idea.
Nothing that you were going to attack battered question what I'm saying it I thought for the first time you had the -- -- almost first time coming to table the -- he asked me look at me look at things like.
You background checks more seriously yes me that -- -- state you know they didn't happen is there that I think when I look back you look at the little depressing to -- that happened after that.
It was not clear that he had opened Apple's -- I think the statement itself -- you know direction you know it didn't should be taken like that I think you have to take seriously a major organizational coming to the table to say.
We have an -- -- to make policy.
They aren't actually there for just a moment -- get one -- only -- coming from one of our viewers isn't anyone listening says.
Can you determine which of these two common denominator is maybe the real cause for these shootings one they played video games.
Too they all didn't go to church those are just the thoughts of our viewer isn't anyone listening right now and -- our DC bureau where our Carl Cameron is.
And -- and you say that gun rights activists are already digging in against new gun gun laws right.
I'll surely mean -- and the National Rifle Association made its views very clear.
Couple weeks back when they proposed that idea of armed guards and every schools opposed to any limitation all Second Amendment Rights.
Biden just started his task force meeting about an hour ago.
-- -- did so with a reference to the Newtown Connecticut shooting.
Here's how he opened it up.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Murder.
Today Biden's meeting with victims advocates gun control advocates tomorrow be the other side a new gun -- and a coalition of gun rights and conservative groups.
Just today proclaimed January 19 gun appreciation day in urging of initial support.
A gun stores and gun shows of shooting ranges that day.
By his recommendations are due at the end of the month with some on the insider saying that you could actually do as soon as next week because the president wants to move fast.
He said he will be -- it'll be a combination of legislative as well as executive orders they haven't figured out what exactly.
This is going to be -- very very busy busy time for the administration it's not just gun control it's going to be on the agenda when they get back when lawmakers get back from -- break.
Immigration climate control.
The idea of the fiscal cliff it's not over the -- is coming more problems the debt ceiling etc.
so it's going to be a tough thing to squeeze this in.
Very controversial polarizing because the nation is so divided on issues.
Thank Carl our guy here at let me ask you this and give us a little bit more about what the task force is going to be doing this week.
Well they're gonna accomplish these recommendations tomorrow will -- Biden in the task force will be meeting with sportsmen and hunting groups and the National Rifle Association.
The NRA is not coming there to participate so much as they are to listen.
They are staunchly opposed to any ban on assault weapons.
Military style assault of the -- totally against the idea of restricting high capacity ammunition magazines -- clips.
-- already suggested that the president is interested banning military style weapons restricting the high capacity ammo clips.
And other steps would include things like a national database to track weapons.
Increased mental health efforts to help spot people who could be problems.
All of this is going to be then further augment that perhaps by Friday.
With the meetings with the entertainment video game industry a lot of the all pro Second Amendment anti gun control folks have been saying that.
Just looking at guns is a very tunnel vision telescopic view and you gotta be more broad got to look at the culture that creates this.
Mental health is important they argue as well as looking at these entertainment video games they create this culture of gun violence or that they say does and as a consequence they want that looked up to it.
It's a little unclear whether the vice president himself will be meeting with the entertainment if it and it entertainment industry officials on Friday.
Or without a task force members it pretty much tells you where the priorities are.
Biden today opens up with victims and gun -- gun control advocates.
Tomorrow there will be some sportsmen and gun rights advocates and the idea of dealing with culture it looks like it gets sort of short trip for there.
I probably -- -- things semites.
And twelve minutes after the hour now gonna bring the panel back end and one thing I want to mention -- is that the task force is apparently thinking about.
Executive measures that don't require congressional approval and this is something that.
It enrages some people is -- that says you know we elected you -- to go make decisions but what we want to be part of these decisions -- Well it might also be an eye out for a lot of congressmen -- senators who might find voting for gun restrictions very politically difficult.
So I'm not sure which way this plays.
We've already seeing the NRA.
Which initially said we need to do something now double down on doing nothing that would make any radical difference.
I think once again that's going to be up to Joseph Biden to try and find a compromise.
If he can sell -- -- only have to sell it to his president rather than the congress that's an easier -- Right I don't want to mention another check coming in this is from ten youngster yeah oust.
Says since 1982 -- violent crime rate has dropped 50%.
Our murder rate is -- 54%.
That all happened while we have the last weapons -- Those stats -- directly from the FBI files this is from Ted anyway rabbit says we have made fun of Biden but having him in the senate forever.
He does have the relationships with all the most powerful senators and probably the lobbyists in NG -- and that you mentioned this well.
-- absolutely and I think we saw that was the last debate you know Joseph Biden DC East Coast residents who have this history there were able to come in and understand what -- compromise means what's needed.
That said -- -- gonna have an uphill battle if they don't of the executive how did they do -- -- congressional -- but I strongly recommends I think you really do need to get congress and I agree with you.
They will try to doctor.
That you know that's their prerogative but I think they really do need to get policy out of congress not just executive order I think particularly in -- constitutional cases that is critical right.
I've won one thing I'm speaking the constitution that would put it really clarified because -- who.
There were second in the phrase Second Amendment gets tossed around an awful lot in in frankly reasonably accurate way an awful lot of the time.
The Second Amendment -- Josh Cooley is probably the most -- Second Amendment stand.
In his -- opinion concerning that the ban handguns in Washington DC.
-- went out of his way to say what is not.
Covered by the Second Amendment and what is not covered by the Second Amendment all our.
Automated weapons which are militaristic eccentric -- set for what is covered in his view or things like handguns in the home rifles at.
And -- guns -- for hunting purposes.
So when people start inflating those things and saying that -- By trying to limit automatic weapons -- -- infringing on the Second Amendment there is no lawyer I don't think in this country and -- Supreme Court justice in this country who believes that's an accurate characterization of the law.
