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Every time we and we -- magazine kind of warrants.
And -- -- regard to be.
Physical contact beyond kissing was there any of that.
-- -- -- You know at some point she was just my neck -- this is hers.
But -- -- tomorrow.
While some intriguing testimony there in the -- areas murder trial from a man who says he had a date with her.
Just hours after she killed her ex boyfriend in 2008.
Prosecutors say areas had one last tryst with Travis Alexander.
Killed him in a ferocious gun and knife attack.
And then headed off to see her new romantic interest Ryan burns the menus just heard testify.
Fred TCU is a former federal prosecutor Rachel self is a criminal defense attorney.
Welcome to both of you Fred the reason -- me his story is interesting is because.
Well first of all he said that she was supposed to.
Medium that case -- supposed to come from California believed to Arizona where he lived.
But she was much delayed -- she blamed it on -- losing her way on the freeway getting lost taking a nap in the car that kind of thing.
It doesn't help her this testimony from this guy.
It doesn't help -- It's laid it -- like it's like a punch in the gut tortured John first the ball this thing about her -- -- -- -- -- -- battle but her neck and what this guy.
But that's salacious that's nice but what really kinda gets me.
As a prosecutor is two things -- the ball she lied to the guy about where she was she told him that she -- her hands in a bar if that does not exist.
She said that she got lost that's a lie and then the most critical thing about his testimony from prosecutorial standpoint is.
He testified that she showed up whether hair.
Eight different -- and I think this whole thing about change in her hair color when you've admitted to the jury that you're the person who killed this guy I think it looks manipulative.
Deceitful and from this witness is evidence of consciousness of guilt.
And flight racial and -- heard what about the fact that just 24 hours after she you know supposedly slaughtered her boyfriend.
She's not good with this other guy.
Well I think that's -- and that really really hurts her case because they're trying to make her out to be a victim it's not a case of -- -- it's a case of killer -- killed.
If I didn't kill him I myself was going to be killed.
How do you play of -- down.
When you're living your next day care -- happy go lucky making out with your new boyfriend.
When we don't know that the -- before you stab your other boyfriend 27 times nine in the back.
Almost decapitated him with a throat slit and then shot him in the head goes cold flooding there and it it's -- it's going to really editing just kills her defense theory in this case and.
She didn't show up at his house with cuts on her hand he testified about that to the court let's listen yes.
But to tell you -- Those cuts through the Margarita Ville.
What she told me she worked a Margarita Ville and she got her finger.
And how did she cut her finger very I think -- she told me she broke classes.
-- finger what she told music apparently they also which my back nicely turned it upside down.
So that's a police officer pulled her over and so we about analysis.
Fred the old cut my hands on -- Margarita glass.
Here now could I guess probably couldn't tell that I cut my hand -- slashing the boyfriend before you 27 times in this whole thing that I'm a victim.
Can't remember the physical evidence is is that -- less -- point seven times like Rachel points out and then shot them -- ahead.
So it's hard to play the victim of terrorism when you -- shopping -- ahead and then slashed them or slashed him and then shot him in the head and then show up at your new boyfriends -- lie and say you've got -- a bar that the -- gonna come in today and testify.
Doesn't even exist.
I just want to ask you Rachel a little bit about about her demeanor in court.
-- -- It's my understanding that you know throughout most of the proceedings she's been kind of hanging her head down she's been hiding behind her hair she's been weeping that sort of thing.
But when this boyfriend was on court that's the picture of her on the right.
When -- boyfriend was testifying against her she just glared right at him.
What does that say -- would jury.
Well I think that she's been trying to manipulate this jury injuries aren't stupid as I say all the time.
And we have an audio tape of her not crying telling one story we have the videotape of her not crying telling another story and -- when it's convenient for her case to start to cry in front of the jury she starts to cry in front of the jury and then she's glaring at the boyfriend when things are going poorly for her I think that this is just a cold -- case and I think the victory for the defense here.
Is gonna get second degree enough first degree murder and I think they're just trying to get the death penalty off the table you know she says she did it she just says it was self defense.
Rachel's self -- it right he.
Like of that thank you guy.
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