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Tony Sayegh and Tara Dowdell debate the politics of Washington's proposed new gun control laws
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-- that's typical -- he wanted to win on all of those comments like you because of that -- fascinating is that so many people particularly Republicans were so critical of president Obama's obamacare -- got obamacare actually increases funding.
For mental illness -- provides funding to improve the quality of care.
And an end to find even that the rebuilding of some of the mental hospitals in this country -- is in for their money before that in in obamacare can so I just find it interesting that people -- jump on the mental illness bandwagon which seems like it is to me and it's a real legitimate issue.
They should be addressed right and they -- our debts are taken to spend money to address mental illness that's when you have this push back and I mean that's really annoying every -- Put it on the point.
-- -- -- on the point of mental illness yes mental illness is something that we need to remove the statement from.
We need -- get the people who wall mentally ill more help more easily.
But if -- mentally ill young man cannot -- into his mother's room.
And pick -- semiautomatic rifle that not mentally ill young man come kill as many people you can say what you like to back he'll get a night for a get Iraq.
You don't kill as many people as easily with a -- for a rock or even a single shot pistol as you do with a nail fifteen.
Not the issue is that you have a Second Amendment is so it kind of contradicts slightly.
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50% of a lot of these mass shootings happened when we had an assault weapons ban so let's have this conversation become.
A panacea or a distraction away from the reality that rational laws are not going to stop -- rational actors from breaking them.
That however does not -- what -- what would you that is not justify not doing anything I do think.
I do agree that everything has to be on the table and I do you actually think as I indicated earlier that some of these particularly the medical background checks.
-- criminal background checks.
Things that obviously make sure that guns are not getting in the hands of people who are we -- to use then portly.
Are very important and we do need to have some sort of consensus on that immediately what might -- here Jonathan.
Is that again you have the left seizing on this.
Tragedy as an opportunity to just use gun control as a panacea to the problem which it's not I would I would like to hear.
Is more specifics and I am willing to give them some time.
But more specifics as to what are some of the reforms.
They are willing to support to reform mental illness I agree we need to spend the money early early intervention in education early intervention and help and our intervention in in mental illness is all clear priority because he's saved money.
In the long term by solving in the short -- -- wants to talk about.
And health care bill our problems the two trillion dollars in debt that for us -- aren't you likely to this mental illness.
Well see here's a here's my nation has been my -- very long time a lot of programs -- that Democrats and people on the political less support that we support you are are.
Programs that -- primary programs and what I mean by that.
Programs like head start that's one of the first things that Republicans want to go after.
That is an early intervention program in urban environments that helps kids who were -- unstable environments have a level of stability FM the first -- you know it didn't -- -- when you start a program it's gonna fail you can't give a program a year to work a lot of programs that have been designed.
-- target at risk youth.
Whom people 'cause we now in New York State alone they're six counties.
Where the majority of people in the prisons come from so we had this information we had that data so what.
Democrats -- talking about doing is targeting those areas but it takes money to the and you can't just say after a year something didn't work you're talking about dealing with -- cycle of issues that you need time to address and so my position is.
Don't win when programs come about that it.
Focused on these very issues that first thing that he and six months twelve months twelve months targeted let me say that failed.
Take the money away from me and then we -- it doesn't let alone I don't wanna get off on it -- angina and now I think this is not -- and I think we need to get off we'll let you -- Christmas I didn't like I do -- I think audit.
Let's -- it won't.
But I'm sorry there are critical -- and that's why are.
Early intervention works and however the difference is who administers these programs the government which statistically is fails -- almost everybody tries I didn't start -- in this community based organizations.
With some governmental.
Help who do end up getting much better results and the that is -- prove it.
I want to get out and get -- -- Claudia -- now -- in -- San Francisco bureau California of course has some of these most restrictive gun laws on the books in this country.
And yet some will make his ploy on the senate of pushing for even more controls that what are they looking at the.
Well you know Jonathan you're right California very restrictive in fact buying a handgun here in the Golden State is no simple task.
It requires registration certified training at ten day waiting period -- a rigorous background check.
What's more the state routinely re defines -- bans those so called assault weapons.
And limits the number of guns a person can -- Well now -- democratic lawmakers are lining up to put even more restrictions on firearms here Nicholas.
Following the new town tragedy gun control advocates in Sacramento are seizing the moment.
Confident that with Democrats controlling every major office the proposals will pass almost.
Any idea.
If anybody in this country had.
-- to -- it further regulate and limit access.
-- weapons or ammunition he's probably gonna get passed in California by bullets should not be easy.
Some politicians want to regulate all ammunition sales requiring background checks and annual permits.
State senator Leland he's bill takes aim at a feature that makes some -- like this -- ar fifteen rifle easier to reload.
What we're trying to do with the particular bill.
Is to basically banned that that particular weapon because it is in fact he loophole in the assault weapons ban.
Gun owners say lawmakers are chipping away at a constitutional right not to increase safety or reduce the risk of violence but to -- power.
They know that as long as there is an armed populace.
In this state they will never control the people the way they want to control.
-- to lobby state lawmakers and take their fight to court if need be.
Other states will be watching closely to see how far California -- bump up against the Second Amendment.
And whether any new gun control laws actually make any kind of a difference Jonathan.
I think including -- and you know -- -- -- bureau thanks very much Claudia a lot more about you is weighing in here -- triple says more gun control.
Will be nothing more than responsible gun owners losing their right so I guess just the criminals.
We'll be able to have guns in this country we've heard that argument many times the full.
Big Vinny says you gotta admit -- blaming everything but the shooter sometimes it's just the guy behind the -- I just have a trigger to get behind knowing that these arguments in the you can really play them both ways always a lady Griffin says can we stop blaming violence on TVETC.
Crazy people who want to -- others have been around longer than TV videogames.
For example Jack the Ripper.
-- Texas settled down -- says how many people are killed with -- -- -- I bet that number is way higher.
In the assault weapons all the same arguments we hear on both sides all the time I guess most of -- -- from one -- actually done.
But.
-- you know we do but we do have to do something that we at least we are talking about it I mean.
There's no reason not to have the conversation.
You can't have the knee jerk reaction as Tony rightly said you know you -- take away everybody's guns nobody got no suggestion that nobody can pass and that.
But -- the same time you can't just leave everything as it is when we've had a twenty.
Kings let us great kids -- Slaughtered in -- in the classroom.
And my father is the marine and he explained to me.
How what it with that AR fifteen how that bullet what it -- right and what it does to what it does to a -- right.
And so explodes inside -- -- well it has I.
-- guys have something like 3000 yards it's an extraordinarily.
Powerful weapon general Stanley McChrystal was talking about it.
-- -- -- -- -- -- And children and he -- general Stanley McChrystal himself said they have no place on -- streets nobody needs some funding nobody needs a break.
And I think I think that the -- the point that a lot of people are missing here is that no one's talking about taking away everyone's -- he if you -- -- responsible gun owner then you should have nothing to fear.
What we're talking about here is that.
We eat many of us believe and not just on the left that people don't need these high capacity.
And -- -- in magazines and guns for hunting and for protecting their home.
If someone comes into your home -- -- -- you're a good shot at taking one shot right right.
And so to ask people had trading team was a gun to me is not that training to -- a car new cars kill people to -- Know what to ask people have training to ask people to submit to a universal background check.
I don't think that's added balance it's not an addict I never -- justice Antonin believe but he says only the guilty believe it's -- -- -- pursuing them and -- you don't have anything to hide.
-- why would you have an issue submitting to a backed.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- that I think here's my issue when there's so much more common ground on this then we probably even realize.
It's getting.
Muted by the fact that now I think there is going to be an attempt.
To overreach on a lot of these reforms that are gonna -- people who do believe the Second Amendment is it constitutional right that cannot be that ranged.
Unable to even accept some of these very reasonable and I do believe they aren't -- -- and others from all the cross Google's weapon.
Believe these reforms are reasonable are necessary.
But the left continues to overreach and pumps up the volume -- on they're gonna disconnect with a lot -- -- other people willing to go long without.
It will -- and -- passionate and at least in this room a civilized debate thank you guys Tony say on the topic and and because what -- would already -- Tara that Dell -- and principal.
The tar -- -- group a nice civilized conversation and -- clink of cops off the woods you.
