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Well now it's expected that these abiding -- proposals which will likely -- for expanded background checks on gun buyers and revive a ban on military style assault weapons.

Will no doubt spark a big political fight in congress.

Now some are charging that this debate is fueling concerns the White House is trying to -- Second Amendment Rights.

Joining us now Eric frat -- with a good.

He's got hundreds of America welcome great to have you here thank -- for having me it's good to be here.

First off let me ask you this week and the vice president suggested that executive orders executive action actually can be taken to implement strict gun control laws this would circumvent congress of course.

What impact could this have on the gun debate.

Well that's what I have a tremendous impact I think people are very concerned.

Very spooked about what's happening because here you know people have.

-- millions of people have made the choice.

To purchase firearms because they know that guns save lives and get the rhetoric coming out of Washington DC with the executive orders -- Andrew Cuomo governor of New York saying that confiscation is an option.

And Iowa lawmaker saying that we need to take guns from people all this really has people concerned that the right that they've been able to enjoy.

They may not be able to purchase a firearm for self defense -- they may be limited in that choice and so as a result.

Guns have been flying off the -- and gun stores I know our our membership and Gun Owners of America has been skyrocketing it's because people.

Want as it with any insurance policy they want to be able to get that insurance before there's a -- crisis.

-- mentioned earlier we are hearing that universal background checks along with a renewed ban on military style assault weapons.

Will be among those recommendations that we will likely see on Tuesday what's your reaction to this.

Well we've tried to ban approach we did that for ten years didn't stop column buying from occurring.

And in fact what's interesting is that in 2004 that ban expired that was the Clinton gun ban expired at sunset.

And those guns became legal again.

And were actually safer today almost ten years later the murder rate has plummeted in this country we're safer today with all these guns being.

Being legal and I think it underscores the point.

That banning guns does not make people safer if it did it would have worked in Washington DC during the heyday of their gun ban.

Basically what we've done is you know around every school zone we've put up signs saying there are no guns here -- you know I don't care who you are as anti gun is somebody might be there will never put -- sign in front of their home saying there are no guns here because -- would just be a magnet for the criminal element and yet that's exactly what we've done in our schools.

And it has been a magnet for the terrorists and the criminals who want to make a name for themselves.

Lean -- the White House is dismissed calls by the NRA's for example to put armed guards at all schools but now I've seen some liberals.

Like democratic senator Barbara Boxer saying a whole lot -- it's not such a bad idea if he's actually introduced -- proposal.

Just a president to have federal funds -- for armed security guards -- schools.

What do you say about this kind of about face going on.

What find it interesting that in the fifteen block area or so on Capitol Hill there's 18100 Capitol Hill police to protect our congressman.

How many -- people have -- been protecting our children over the last several years you know my heart goes out.

To those parents in Connecticut I myself have lost a child.

Through a tragedy and and I know the pain that they're feeling but you know with seven school -- children right now I would it.

If I had had a child in that school in Connecticut I would've hoped and prayed to god.

That -- would've been an armed teacher.

Or -- principal.

There to protect those children in the same way that -- moderate of pearl Mississippi high school who was an assistant principal there use his firearm.

To stop a school shooting that's what you have to do when bad guys get their hands on guns.

You need a good guy with a firearm to stop them.

Summing up really quickly -- do you think is possible to have a meaningful compromise between the White House and gun rights activists.

Well I think the Second Amendment precludes a compromise when it says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be in -- if there's anything that we do need to do.

Is to get rid of the schools -- loophole.

Which where people are able to carry in most places in the state except that schools and those are the very places that criminals then target.

So when you're taking a look at all of this what are you hoping for -- com Tuesday do you think -- actually see several recommendations and you can live what.

I don't think we're gonna see meaningful recommendations coming from the White House.

You know that their old adage don't let a crisis go to waste and this is what they're doing they're using the tragedy that happening Connecticut.

And and trying to exploit it for their own political game.

As we move forward with his -- do you think we're going to be seeing further polarization and in congress over this issue.

I do and yet I think as a as a warning to legislators they need to remember the lessons of the the early ninety's President Clinton lamented many times.

That it was that the gun control that he pushed in 1993.

Which cost him control the congress because many pro gun.

Democrat voters crossed over to vote Republican and I think.

Legislators are gonna need to remember that lesson and I think that will make many of them gun shy.

All right -- -- thank -- so much for joining us today with your insights we go through it and you're very welcome thank you for having me.

Now for the other -- -- this debate for those who have been witnessed two brutal violence firsthand the debate over gun control is particularly an emotional one.

Some have taken part in meetings with the vice president this week and are pushing for their own recommendations.

Joining us now William -- -- group was the president.

The foundations and bears his name.

William met with the vice president this week and says there needs to -- warm gun control regulation welcome great to have you here.

Well thank you for having me on on the show today.

I know you met with the vice president this week before I get to that I want to let our audience know that you've been a victim of brutal violence as you watched your mother and -- year old brother murder.

By your mom's estranged boyfriend tells what happens.

Yeah well it happened on 9 -- in the morning on July 2 1984 and look up to the screams of my mom.

Into when it was all said and done Marshall -- Williams who was already convicted of eleven half years since.

Second degree murder got out that my mom gone -- relationship and murdered her right in front of me.

I killed my twelve year old brother went back and shot her again.

-- put the gun to my head and and they need that from my life.

And it was if I left there was no hope you know no dignity.

Nothing to hold on to that to to move forward on my leader my guide.

I was there on the floor bleeding to death -- -- -- heartbreaking story our heart goes out to you thank you very much what did you push for -- in this meeting with the vice president.

Well.

It you know for for us was it was listening to what's what's happening around the table and that.

That the vice president kept an open mind about.

What we need to do about this and and not be conclusive in the vice president I think was very clear in that meeting by saying that the answers are not here.

All the answers aren't here that there needs to be a conversation two with the American public.

On what what needs to happen and what needs to be addressed in you know you previous caller sort of concluded what the White House is already done and I think to conclude that.

At this point is really ahead of the process and that we need to get to the process.

And listen to what the recommendations are -- so that the foundation is actually recommending.

Having its -- in the -- forward on Monday morning.

So we're just glad to get an opportunity to weigh in on this issue and victims and survivors I have a voice on my mother -- -- we'll have a voice in this process and I think.

To conclude that it's over with already before it starts -- give them very much hopes of the people who -- like victims and survivors were involved in this.

Look firstly for you from your -- from your vantage point what is -- you would like to see happen.

Give -- one recommendation that you're hoping will be coming forth from -- there's meetings that that the issue is a bigger issue than just gun violence.

That mental health and gun violence are certainly key points.

Although we need to also take a look at what happens in the aftermath the trauma.

Around this issue.

Kids still have to go to school in the fourth grade when -- I was ten years old my mom was murdered -- had to go back to the fifth -- sit with my my classmates and you know I was re traumatize -- that environment -- we need training around.

Our teachers understanding and being more trauma informed.

You know what do think about the -- crayons that there have to open the Crayola box remind them of the blood they saw.

For me it was the the water fountain when I saw the water found I was reminded.

That my brother got shot and I saw fountain of blood coming from him -- And every time -- walk to the water fountain it was a re traumatizing experience my teacher didn't know that.

And so it's important that we get.

Our our our our our services every one in -- who's gonna have contact with our children.

Adults who suffer from trauma to be able to be more trauma informed about about about -- about the issues around trauma and the in the end.

Act there's just such a sobering images -- come to your mind going -- that we think back at what you were going through in school.

Do you think -- -- when.

Groups liking NRA.

Push for arming security guards and all schools.

Do you think that -- recommendation to make a difference.

You know the vice president did mention school resource officers in the meeting and then how important they were.

You know how important they were building relationships with children in schools that community policing is also another avenue I think we can go down.

But just putting -- guns in the hands of people who ordinarily shouldn't have them is going to be difficult it did to -- doing it can also be dangerous one of this.

Members of that group held up concealed weapons permit and she'd never had a -- a have been trained in her life and into one of the states Virginia she picked up.

-- she got on the Internet was able to get a concealed gun permit now she can use that probably Pennsylvania Colorado.

And that's very dangers ahead and she's never touched god she she the only time she found she was next -- gun was when she got shot at Virginia Tech.

I absolutely but you know many people -- gonna tell you that gun owners most gonna of course our law abiding citizens who are not going to commit a crime absolutely.

All law abiding citizen citizens we don't want to take the guns away from anybody.

That shouldn't that that that should have them.

But when you have a domestic abuser like Marshall brain waves -- kill my mom.

Getting its hands on a gun.

Is it is is a dangerous thing to have somebody who is -- -- has certain mental illness or somebody who is perpetual drug -- drug abuser.

Individuals like that who have guns in their hand we we've got to make sure that guns don't get into the hands of the people who should not have them there's no way that Marshall should have had a gun in his hand.

In and shot my mom shot my brother he's impacted.

Many people from that and -- and then he took his own life.

Round.

You have given us some really some very important thoughts to think about and some reflections here and again our hearts go out to you isn't such a sad situation but.

It's really great to see that you're out there try to make a difference in your own way.

You know trauma survivors are doing the best that they -- -- to survive step by step in for anybody -- had those.

They can go to our website at www.

WK foundation dot award.

And also go to stances on national center for trauma informed care there's so much that we can do and so what you can do about this issue but.

Log on and and join us and join the conversation all right do indeed -- -- thank you so much for joining us -- having me all the best you.

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