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Let's get to the debt ceiling for us is that what the president was just talking about that.
-- Kelly former new York Republican congresswoman with me here in the studio I'm Brian Benjamin managing director of the Genesis companies.
Heidi you both good to see a happy new year the first of our senior this year.
Good to have you soon you were rolling your rice talked tough seeing a very unhappy with the president -- -- and at one point you said this is all about politics nothing about policy.
Yes it that's what I see.
Take that a statement that Obama just made about we've never seen dollar for dollar I -- I have.
Willingness -- a charge from congress to.
Raise the debt ceiling by dollar for dollar with you increase the spending you cut.
A by a dollar well actually we did the Gramm Rudman law did exactly that and it was declared unconstitutional.
-- -- one of our biggest problems I think is we need to change the Supreme Court he took quick declaring a Barry has.
Very well -- out types of legislation of that sort.
But at any rate we -- there and this has occurred.
And I finally it running the Republican Party right now -- -- John Boehner I would say look folks we know the debt ceiling is going to have to be race.
I will let you both however way you want.
But let's just go ahead and get this piece on because it really doesn't make a lot of difference we're not going to default all right have money to pay chart which is that we don't point loss of the season have gotten the real problems are spending tell Obama.
Will trade will pass this and you look.
Then come back and give us spending cuts learn this and.
-- April -- -- -- Brian guy coming here now before I do that I just wanna remind a lot of viewers.
That president Obama's -- news conference is streaming live at foxnews.com.
You wanna continue watching the whole thing but then you missile Brian's back to say so it might know what I -- and I think women -- terrible from so what are what are what's -- take at a certain.
-- ratings downgrade the last time and so.
That's concerning because it's one thing for the published they play politics in congress is another thing to impact our our credit ratings which by the way.
If interest rates start to go up.
That we feel that very very very very painfully.
I think I think what have to happen is that the Republicans have to agree.
That we've already agreed on these on these -- -- right if we've already agreed to buy an 88 months we've made great yeah this is not new money.
And I think -- other mechanisms you know this much but and and I do other mechanisms of the Republicans have.
To fight that fight -- is the suppressed or other things on how are spending.
And so I think part of this is too is you really hold an American people hostage if you decide as a party.
Republican Party to sort of say what we're not going to commit to what we were ready.
Spend time it was you know we're not gonna let the -- -- -- -- spent right I'm just so that we can play politics the president on the debt on our terms of art that it's been so everybody's -- politics.
Since I think everybody's playing politics and -- power it if I -- the Republican leaders right now I absolutely would say.
When we -- -- we understand we're not gonna we're not and do anything about this we won't vote.
To allow this debt ceiling to go up but I would not force my members to vote that way you -- so your bottom -- how.
Looking -- sounding like one I mean the problem is we have Tea Party Republicans.
Who -- seem to believe and I was like get it you you believe what you believe fight for but just don't put the country and state we thought something should be off limits and I think.
I now -- the President Obama was making that point when he said that Social Security benefits.
Checks won't go out veterans' checks won't go act.
I have this is like to happen now when you one could say.
The data is playing the indeed the politics of emotions but.
It's true to what I they're -- -- the president gets to make the choices of what gets paid and what doesn't get paid.
-- and then when but probably -- best and I'll get the government got cut shut down under President Clinton.
President Clinton chose not to pay those things it put a lot of political pressure to reopen it got me.
Do we get a -- -- Brian is your is your sense that this will be.
One little go -- to the wire again and then they'll hold kind of actually get -- moment and then push something through.
I really do believe the public is -- -- -- the fight this fight and that's in the gonna fight at a different time because I think the Republican Party has since taken a beating recently.
And I think I don't know -- particularly had a -- PR perspective this is really too dangerous -- often -- -- going on this road because now you're looking at.
This might have implications for twenty for 2014 for the Republicans so I think -- -- take a step back on this.
But I do believe that the Republicans are gonna fight really hard when that when they have the opportunity to.
On the spend.
What's -- -- we get a deal ultimately I think there will be deal I it really what cost of people like to -- I don't think it'll be Acosta John Boehner moment that I thought actually I think John Boehner is one of the grownups.
In congress -- Harry Reid is definitely not so that is one of the reasons why Mitch McConnell called -- Joseph Biden because at least Joseph Biden know how to negotiate.
Harry Reid will negotiate.
So when you look at the way that that that politics is working out too good to shape public policy right now.
What is happening as John Boehner.
It is my belief.
Coming out he's gonna come out smelling like -- -- was eventually -- allow this debt limit to go off.
Which they've already essentially voted on as the president pointed out they voted to spend the money right so they need to let it go up.
And then but they need to tie it carefully and heavily.
On the president that if they make this vote -- he will come back and cut spending.
And he will cut spending drastically and effectively.
In the entitlement programs which he does not when he's.
That I would guys -- in his life otherwise it just point out that he said in the speech.
That he would look act what he called -- moderate.
Modifications to Medicare Brad doesn't sound like that sort of drastic drastic -- what I'm saying is what about defense spending Republicans always seem to feel like defense spending -- somehow off the table which I think is an appropriate I think we should look at that.
And that but that's that's the sequestration.
And at the of that but it -- it's all tied the situation as well entitlements that's coming along that's not necessarily attached to that was fiscal -- Now this is a different thing.
And that is not just put up.
We got through that weekend -- sequestration I'll kick in our current winning didn't.
It through and don't just -- down the middle they've pushed down -- -- and the right there is a double there can be a double vote on sequestration so we'll see how that plays out.
Okay I've -- -- a little short on time today just because of the president so.
Man his news conference.
Which we wanted to show you some -- live.
So I wanna move on to the other big subject today which the president was document which is gun control.
As they said he took my background checks being message -- necessary you know obviously greater background checks.
Universal background checks a limitation on those high capacity magazine clips I'm an assault weapons ban -- Policy proposals soon.
That he said it was sensible.
He also said some of those proposals may be achievable through legislative action some may be achievable through executive order when do you think he's going with a.
Let me explain why Harry Reid.
Senator Reid once an executive order on of the assault weapons ban me because Harry Reid has voted against the assault weapons -- And -- -- several Democrats may feel that an executive order -- them off the political sadly you're Jonathan and why not.
They but the other thing about the assault weapons ban is that it defines the guns you all you have to do with an ordinary gun is -- to evade the law is changed the stock you put layup put would.
Or a plastic.
You know this would change the stock -- -- -- it change the gun a little bit and you have.
That you have not band that -- it's a different content doesn't come under the law.
It did not work it is not going to work America or Americans to stop drinking under -- they're gonna stop stop wanting their guns.
When I came in on the train this morning there is that there's a poster for a new movie called the Americans.
Two people make a woman with a handle their heart saying the pledge of allegiance and what are they have this -- I've -- you we are gun culture.
And we need to recognize that and try to do some.
Probably don't -- we.
Violent videos and there's like we might get a look at this mental health issues that -- and -- stops.
Right guns I -- I had my point -- -- always is is the mentally he'll put the mentally ill person.
-- might be mentally ill might be aggressive.
But he's not a mentally ill person with a gun unless he can get a gun.
That's correct and I think there's a couple things one is the -- on background checks we could definitely be more forceful -- that right.
I think the high capacity magazines -- urban -- makes no sense to me at all.
Assault weapons and urban areas make no sense to me at all I mean I I don't live in honor their -- want to speak to -- to those locations I think there are very common sense things we can do.
To reduce the damage that someone who's mentally deranged can can Mexico -- And so that's what I think.
Common sense people resistant -- always part of this and what measures would you agree with.
All -- tonight I think large capacity magazines -- at that and that's again.
I was I think what they haven't had a party by definition.
Right now a lot of people in -- -- who don't believe that -- -- -- -- given that we shouldn't do that you cannot tell.
Let's let -- Lola I think as many people in the Republican Party who would not -- that at all -- and I think that's something that would go through congress OK but I also.
I also think background checks full background checks.
-- that the the AK -- this -- isn't it these great big heavy duty weapons right.
Full background check that has a national registry I'm totally in for a -- -- that and I think there are some people in my party that might go for that night but I also know.
That the NRA -- there's there's a couple of things here the Angel and wants no change at all and more people are buying guns right now than ever have before -- We -- some extraordinary pictures around the weekend of the numbers of people lined up and consoles etc.
sure for a -- of -- very quickly so I gonna I gonna wrap it up.
Do you have another point my only other point is if you will see a terrible backlash I believe if a President Obama.
-- operates executive by executive privilege and bans assault weapon -- only good or -- And -- in the minds of the NRA Brian that is executive order would really -- set off the alarm bells that.
A lot of conspiracy there is another's.
On the right -- is it states that -- the Fed into the legend of the did it.
The beginning of a planned to take everybody's got I think he's just so I think he should set -- that those said that -- okay.
I got I sorry I got to take it to Philadelphia good to see Brian Benjamin -- Kelly oil supplies of both -- and win.
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