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Good morning I'm Doug -- on here with.
Fellow political insiders -- doubt.
Hands on the bleary and today we have a very special guest Joseph Trippi who is a leading if not the leading democratic strategist a man of great.
Intellect and I'm not in considerable charm as well I would tell you that the only regret I have is one of the three political insiders.
Is that we have not yet had a forum where we can have.
Four and five.
People -- -- -- but if we would at the top of our list along with our friend Ed Rollins would be Joseph -- -- is somebody.
Who brings to bear.
A what I call an independent democratic perspective.
He is somebody who is being probably more loyal to the party line impacted our myself.
But no -- -- -- -- a lesson I thought apple and no less prescient.
In his analysis.
And -- I.
Would like to begin with you -- somebody who is observe the Obama campaign has -- it but also I think subordinate.
What do you think it's gonna happen today at the press conference he's gonna talk about the debt ceiling.
And what you.
How do you see all that and I have no idea what he's I just don't I have no idea what to -- with this press conference about why it's been called you know it -- it this minute.
-- It's it's great to be on the show it is more -- coming.
Because of.
Makers didn't hear what you -- -- well I think it's hole Purdue.
I think he will do is get up and announce.
That no compromise in debt ceiling.
And if necessary.
-- you won't go yet as far as to say screw the constitutional do whatever I want.
What he's gonna he's gonna say this is responsible whatever and you know this guy has been predictable to me.
-- said election night let's say it again.
-- there's not an interesting though one Bolden his body did and didn't do anything.
Being divisive he's not one -- -- -- you working with anybody.
Getting along it's my way -- the highway he won the election.
And I said election night that's when it's going to be -- it has been able to those -- just don't we have as our theme yesterday.
The consolidation.
Of power.
In the executive branch and I'd like you to speak to that.
In light of the -- Excuse me in light of the press conference.
From what pat just said what could be that he is trying to keep his.
Momentum up while the Republicans are all over the map they don't have a position on anything we learned this weekend.
That now they're gonna put immigration front and center and try to do all of it in one swoop.
While the Republicans are in disarray plus the gun thing plus the debt selling in the sequestration.
And what do you hear from the Republicans nothing -- go off and have some retreat this weekend.
Of we've heard nothing what.
They've decided they're all they should help retrieve -- -- I think John's reading will part of what's happening is -- You know you set it up on your turf he's been very good doing that particularly when the Republicans are in disarray and don't have the game plan figured -- -- I think.
It'll be setting up the same argument -- Hey you this is just paying off the credit card -- -- that you all been charged in on.
And putting in -- you know putting it net frame and -- yes I think you're exactly right there that I had dozens.
Do with the president but you're their proper and he will you will be effect of that yet anyway but to go to your point -- about consolidation -- talked -- -- -- -- Not much -- -- responsive.
This seems to be these choices for the cabinet.
You were told about this you were fox morning.
Discussing have been changes.
What since we were arguing this is a much more insular -- not only we -- these two people close to him this is no -- -- this is an effort.
Two.
Grocery -- something you know it you can't remember who said it this and we said it better than than than me.
Which I can remember who to quote.
Played that the first cabinet was the unit you know.
Couldn't handle our rivals this team of allies.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Hillary Clinton and you know certainly it is rivals.
He's now picking people who are.
You you know who reflect either where he wants to go or even.
-- or or or who.
To -- -- even further than.
In his comfort zone in the direction he wants to go aside -- I think that's an -- -- critique of the group it seems to be the nominees right.
John would you react the -- that we were offering yesterday and I'm curious how you react and Joseph certainly was well.
Was if you looked at the debt ceiling Kerry Reid says.
We got up.
Be prepared to do it unilaterally.
If you look at immigration all or nothing we don't want to.
To business.
With you at all.
You look at these appointments.
CIA coming right from the administration.
Treasury right from the administration.
Is.
There a sense that.
Perhaps just perhaps this is an unprecedented.
Consolidation of power I keep thinking back that it's.
Nixonian this thing.
That Nixon when he was in trouble but he'd just been reelected he brought more cronies -- to key positions you remember -- We were -- amazed at the time when you.
Found out what does the president do -- -- I.
That president talked to about five people and intact and that was he was and what Haldeman Ehrlichman a couple of the people never talked anybody else.
This president.
Is it has been that why he spends a lot of time along.
Or he talks to this little band McDonnell -- Lou before that.
Rahm Emanuel small group who.
Run the whole operation for -- there is no reach out no attempt to convince.
So and and reach out to.
And look at the reality is if you get a pretty good party innocent my brain -- party that's that's word which is which is really accountable laundry I don't know what is the Republican Party sprained his right laughter all right today -- Edit in and am not this is not -- the -- -- Democrats are.
But there's just not a whole lot out there.
I don't you know in different -- and there's not a lot of consensus on the right anyway and me in terms of the it where the where that party's going -- You know he I think -- he knows where he wants to go we won.
I mean you can and you know you can argue -- all you want and take the you know I think he's thinking and -- and all as we want.
Republicans are idiots.
The public doesn't like -- we want these things done debt ceiling our way.
Immigration are way guns -- away much as.
It just the other thing I forgot he's got him -- was.
That on guns the idea of doing an executive order as opposed to legislating.
Recognizing that there are things you can do executive orders on.
But if you look at the debt ceiling executive orders on guns and appointments it is a worrisome trend toward consolidation.
I was helping -- executive orders are misunderstood by the home -- they think the president has the power to make the four of us Wear a red -- He does not have that power.
He does have the power to man made it it than everybody.
And the executive branch he can tell them what to do -- -- an executive order is it does not govern.
Us put on guns.
By executive order he could change that level of a background check and the information that goes into your -- but does it look if he can't -- did it -- the house.
It just elements of the house or elements in the in the center island wedding thing get through.
Am I getting into the partisan it's the only way you can do if you wanna get something done the only way if you can -- a little bit more done here by signing an executive order and it'll do it -- you stretch.
So anymore she's gonna -- don't know president we have to stretch their power hungry look I objected to would bush do I object to what Obama -- we -- -- checked too at any time print the notice anybody idea of what I put to death with a.
Let's deal with us this is the one this says that help global -- I have absolute power won the election if you want to I get away with with a lot in -- -- he's.
Just history tells us if you have no law who's who organized opposition you -- -- or if you want.
But what we're now doing is we're ripping the constitution to pieces over the argument -- First we're gonna -- -- -- dollars a platinum -- -- and they're serious people talking about something.
That my great indoor cage prekindergarten for our point -- calling it would realized was was it was a fairy -- -- -- -- this notion.
That you can unilaterally.
Interprets -- fourteenth and then lost the -- He got away with a in the first term on the leaderboard.
In the other things -- no question of whether the congress subsection.
Wait you decide if Nixon did my experience -- life is -- he is shaped by Watergate and what happened.
And I think you said I don't I think this president is that it's in many ways in mirror of Richard Nixon did his fuel about power.
And he's absolutely right -- Two great.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Universe well -- autographs not very far you get down the -- -- When you start going down the slippery slope you start being able to all right I knew it was a bit and it's there and -- out and you don't liberals the hell with all the things truthful with.
Sits there with cards sake let's kill this guy today let's kill that god.
You know I'm glad fortunately he's killed us take our enemies of the United States I think we all in our -- well as I have access all of us who worry about it having -- -- Richard -- the youngest person -- enemies list.
I start worrying what -- president pat and his team use -- everybody attacks you for your world view.
No one has ever confused you without -- John what's your view on all of this.
First call the president this president in his first term when it.
Since he's gonna do the debt ceiling by executive order said we've looked at it and we can't do it.
So -- that those words are gonna come back automatically does do some media tell you look I think.
There is it kid.
We got a party it's this fractured.
As the opposition party that every president that I know of his why.
Two to -- a lot of -- up and start getting my game -- start coalescing more power given what Colin Powell said yesterday on Meet the Press I think that that's another.
Alternating we are going to take a quick break and be back with our.
Friend and colleague Joseph Trippi -- the bullying pact -- now I'm Doug -- thank you for joining us on.
Political insiders and we're gonna have a special segment with Joseph when we return.
Thank you for murder joining -- I am Doug shown here again -- Pat Caddell John globally and are.
Special guest and friend Joseph -- this morning.
And we're gonna spend little time this second segment talking in detail about the Republican Party.
This is something John and pat and I have spent a fair amount of time on the jokes he would do was the -- kicking off with you essentially -- them brain dead.
Tell me why their brain dead what they need to resuscitate their mind.
I mean -- I'd start over I mean I really think it's it's that dire.
And I think it's that you get a lot to mania in the party you're in deep denial were in -- -- through most of 2121012.
Election -- continue to be there.
I think there are a lot of people I think it's become.
The hole just like there was a time I mean when when people like me start with -- liberal liberal liberal liberal.
Started drop that word started call myself a progressive because the liberal.
The brand just the word liberal was so bad.
Literally the word Republican in -- -- among some conservatives.
The word conservative is now getting at saint taint and they they just don't seem that and said they doubled down get harsher.
I think instead of figuring out the way forward in the way forward may be to just to just dump -- has only you are Republican.
Well how do you react you know I've watched this last thing last thirty years what's happened in my view -- -- -- those that Reagan was the high a high point of the Republican Party when he won in eighty and 84.
And as he went down and left office the party rode his coattails for about twenty years and when the projected son of Reagan George W.
Bush listens to me an insult but he.
Sold himself the ranch -- Texas talk to belt buckle I'm not the son of my father.
I'm the son of Ronald Reagan and he got elected barely made me and he took the Republican Party.
And the dark the name of the intolerance that.
Colin Powell talk -- say really got going in the bush.
Terms of its my way or the highway all the way.
And he took the GOP and he killed me killed it off all the things that we for my entire lifetime.
Had an advantage on which party is better managing the economy Republicans which -- better on national defense Republicans.
He frittered them both away and -- -- not getting them back the way were behaving now and and I agree with John we've also that we need a new party.
Did I mean you -- younger.
The owner Jerry aren't just on the intolerance that the dark intolerance kind of is she didn't.
Yes younger generation.
Just isn't there at all in in terms of where the Republican Party -- the the strongest elements of it -- want to go to.
Needs today is a party that is conservative on fiscal and defense matters not aggressive.
Conservative and libertarian on social issue to me tell you Barry gold water.
Positions of 64.
Would be a majority -- -- But let me say this it -- to this point is I agree with.
Every people who said.
But I think the most fundamental question in maybe we could put it up I don't know about the quick question on -- on the Gallup poll question I don't want.
The number I don't -- -- we put number one on the story.
You know what we have the Republican Party.
We have 77 -- some of the people saying.
That the wave with the Washington politics now is working is causing serious harm the country towards the board.
-- of the alienation levels in this country are unprecedented.
Any politics that he is.
Basically exclusive what the American people think it seems to me the Republicans.
As the out party losing party -- be more fundamental question.
-- if they choose to continue to be the junior government party.
The party's spending as we saw on this the stimulus bill and what they passed it they have nothing else -- for other than.
-- the d.s would would Colin -- -- the dark instinct would've.
Then they're -- someone has to be the voice of the mainstream of the country against -- Greene Washington and the political class.
When you have three quarters of the country lined up against a political class I think.
If in the end the Republican's -- not to take that route that somebody else has to replace -- -- wrong don't under.
It's the right -- the part of the problem is that is that both parties have there have interest groups and guys on K street.
And the Republicans that aren't moving away from that they're moving deeper into into -- I think in and getting darker on on some -- -- Morse.
That I I agree we've -- where they should be more libertarian on.
Social issues they're getting more you know even more rigid.
And I think that's that's hurting them with young people of the problems grand old party it's a grand -- party -- old men old white men and that the problem with that is -- white men die.
And as they start to die.
And you start to lose more more marching orders and reports of my demise as a -- is that.
You know about the death of -- party the other thing.
-- everything I wanna say though that I should have said before on path is that.
The GO pay thirty years ago when Reagan was the guy had an image it was not being mean spirited chip on the shoulder my way or the highway party it was.
It was like Reagan when he smiled he was nice we tried to convince people to come nor -- money.
I just I don't mean -- but I -- this point it which is just shocking to me.
Right this whole forty priest 47% takers argument we all these people on the take on the may -- them listen wait wait.
Let me because -- it it just to put this in complete perspective there was a guy who cold the country that.
And he said it in a much Reagan -- know.
There was a guy who stood out in his inaugural instead.
Asked not.
Just not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country did.
That there are ways to say what you're saying.
And do it in the Reagan I mean in a way very good -- -- I think sale elevates -- and growing the country and pulling it together these.
Yeah back to -- -- -- because into the close there and I'm sorry.
It could seek -- a -- candidate -- I don't know this'll work.
It I had little we've got about a minute or two left and I want you to put up one whole question and get quick reaction.
From everyone not not the cockroaches jobs and cut number five.
Hillary vs Christie 2016.
81 of our faithful viewers Dave Dombrowski said Hillary in 2016 really scares me if she won't come clean about.
The bad guys if she can't be trusted shall testify I think later this week -- next week.
But the week from tomorrow -- week from tomorrow the results are 444214.
-- easily Chris Christie -- what does that mean to you quickly.
Hillary's gonna.
Clean him up.
Show -- so even though she's only two points that.
Hit two points ahead.
The demographics are gonna change that much more over the next four years.
White votes can decline even further I think I think -- he's -- fine -- I like him.
I think she beats and letting voters that voted for Obama is not voting for -- they're all voting for Hillary and maybe some who voted for Romney might go over and vote for her so.
Republicans have a tough road to -- -- great.
Well I think it's a tough road and I think.
But remember one thing in 2010.
The beef up the victory that -- and it was an off your life.
That was that the Republicans want -- who victory was imposed by the tea parties it was not something engineered by the Republican style.
Remember that there is still have a party that had some of the repeat we don't know what the economy is it's not this is -- set in stone.
And let me -- one thing about demographics and so what message -- technology.
If messages -- in fact -- we will.
Have you back.
If you will come we would love you to do that today so you can makes -- -- message -- The -- technology has its a huge issue in politics that rarely if ever.
Guests discussed absolutely and I think that I agree with pat.
That message does -- technology but I also.
Would say if you have a technological gap.
As we saw this time.
To the Democrats of the Republicans.
It can be worth as much what you need to Wear clothes yes use that technology to -- -- -- message and that's thinking of us -- let me thank you all for joining us.
And say three things to conclude.
First we'll be back 530 on Sunday on Fox News Channel.
I'm not sure we'll be back on inauguration day but if not on inauguration day a week.
From next Monday we'll be back.
Here -- on foxnews.com.
And I want to say a special thanks to Joseph Trippi and joining us abstinence only if you were absolutely I'm pat develop our Doug -- this has been.
Political insiders thanks for joining us.
