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-- Lance Armstrong Tiger Woods Michael Vick.
Pete Rose Barry Bonds Joseph Paterno the list goes on and on and now -- anti tale.
All heroes in the sports world who have fallen from grace.
And their fans believed in -- kids want it to -- -- so has this culture of -- turned us into a culture of cynics or more plainly put.
Where have all the heroes gone.
So Eric you played in sports okay you have a son lot of kids looking at these guys they idolize them last week in baseball no one admitted to the hall of fame.
We have two huge scandals this week -- lands and the Notre Dame linebacker so.
Is this just a thing of the past the days of just winning on your own -- are now is this common place cheating apologizing redemption.
Are there any -- that you can go through history and -- -- Abbott said there's no more frequency of occurrence is now than than there was twenty years or fifty years ago.
Or a hundred years ago I didn't think we're hearing about a lot more in it but we just hasn't it it's not relegated to the world of sports -- -- -- Bernie Madoff.
-- 65 billion dollars and -- it.
-- corporate CEOs -- stealing it didn't call with a hand in the cookie jar -- -- the politicians getting caught doing bad stuff but just hearing about a lot more unfortunately though.
It does seem.
You know when -- a -- com.
Yeah that's right at it transcends.
It transcends sports it's politics it's Wall Street it's an -- -- -- -- -- -- -- was it -- -- -- -- I agree with -- about -- you what he beat by -- -- -- was a hero right.
I've caught you as always this is a rock -- -- -- I can't imagine -- but anyway.
If you look back and it's a visual for example one of when I was growing up I was of Big -- -- the canals.
It was just it but right here all right.
Fact wasn't -- which showed drunk virtually every game we played him he was a big Boozer and you go back in -- in the aid to the dugout and smoke cigarettes now.
That never got out because they weren't up.
Places for this that's -- -- disseminated.
Now with all these outlets available there's nothing that anybody can do I don't know -- the percentage little bit higher now that was then.
But I can go back through sports anyway and you could find people who cheated on boxing for example they just threw more fights than than -- imagine.
Wrestling coach was a -- so I mean I don't -- I'm not ready to buy goods where have all the heroes gone I'm I -- really really was a hero anywhere.
But Dana how about redemption on that point Martha Stewart committed a crime went to prison redeemed -- how does the public decide who to forgive.
And who not to -- you think it's a great question I think one of the things is like ability.
Which is probably what Lance Armstrong's folks for thinking what would occur after going on Oprah Winfrey Show but there's -- There's only so much at PR consulting can -- or a lawyer can do to prepare somebody for the interview when -- get out there.
To do the interview with Oprah who are Bill O'Reilly or how whoever it's going to be it's just.
That's going to be who they are I think it's partly that if I'm sick of another person who never was I have a dentist trying to get a woman in sports about it -- Tonya Harding.
That she continues -- if it really.
That must have been interesting.
She never had a Giguere that was able to figure out how to bring herself back that Martha Stewart has -- Reinvented herself she has a great business employs a lot of people and you.
Has I think she has been forgiven -- -- -- of people speaking of heroes -- Arnold Schwarzenegger has always been a -- -- -- -- on Fox's friends with this morning discussing his scandal.
And his infidelity take -- -- I came very clean the mess for a moment when my wife asked me the simple question is is true as -- -- is because.
The fact is that -- it's always suit the hiding.
And the cover ups did did did the -- the troubles he should come clean and you should just ask for forgiveness and -- all over again.
But Arnold only came out when he was caught two and no wonder voluntarily comes out -- -- I've been doing bad things -- -- the on the cover of the New York Post but what the words sports as you know comes from the phrase sportsmanship.
Which celebrates man -- and gamesmanship.
That is descended into this prime ordeal end zone dance.
-- -- somehow it's not enough to be professional athlete right now at I blame this on the entertainment world -- to be more than that this squeaky wheel gets the groupies.
So these athletes are -- now knotted up they gotta have that they've got to have the cars they've got to have the blink they gotta have that dog fighting they've got to have the guns.
There's that there's a depth of character going on in sports.
And what's missing in my mind what's dying is modesty.
That the great heroes and sports with the quiet guys that never said anything they're the ones that come and -- the work they're not to show up and where -- celebrating our culture celebrity -- lots.
So we can we end up with these these characters you know rather than -- Harry -- you're discreetly -- at this at this show him and you've become a group credited.
-- -- guys Bob now we we talked about -- -- -- yesterday.
He's staying quiet now.
He was a guy who won a lot of accolades and a lot of sympathy.
This situation get sweeter by the day and now there's a Sports Illustrated article that confirms.
After he even knew it was a hoax on December 8 and December ninth.
He acknowledged having a girlfriend he perpetuated the lie so I don't think there's any way he could not have known about this earlier this used it to his advantage.
And I don't understand why the university is made dutrow -- was -- Have I mean there out front on this thing and you can't read decision not that figure out that.
This guy somewhere along line brought into this -- where the starter not it is not the point he bought into and have perpetuated and it just one quick point going back unity.
-- about Bing Crosby ever thought Bing Crosby was his great heroic figure you know he bridges wonderful its -- -- -- service.
The fact was he was a lousy father -- these kids and we didn't find out until one of those kids -- wrote -- book about it.
Well you know the thing is a real heroes are the people that are in your life your family mean.
Your spouse is not people on the playing field -- a millionaire -- don't even know who you exist.
I just dare to extend their -- let me just say you are my heroes -- -- -- -- -- co hosts -- I.
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