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It's -- are you ready to pay -- more for government run health -- well this week a group of democratic leaders raising the stakes.
Pushing for a public option this is congresswoman.
Jan -- cow ski.
The public option -- decrease the deficit by about a 104 billion dollars over ten years.
Of course not everybody agrees -- government health insurance would save money Republican critics oppose a government takeover of health care saying it's too costly.
And could bankrupt the country so -- right.
Hi everybody I'm David has been welcome to Forbes on FOX let's go in focus -- like Jose Elizabeth MacDonald.
-- edgy Rick -- and Morgan Brennan and Mike.
You say we just can't afford a full blown -- national health care system.
No David we can't every country that's tried a full blown national health care system.
Has even experienced high -- higher cost.
Or less health care and we even see with obamacare which is just a back door into a single Payer system.
He had to implement a huge tax increase to help pay for it so of course it cost more.
-- -- hagee you know the president was telling us this is what what he has -- obamacare is not a single player Payer plan which is said national health care.
But isn't that in fact what it's turning into.
Well I think it's going to there's gonna have to be a single Payer plan -- for gonna reduce health care costs and society.
Will this reduce the debt and the deficit no.
But it you know it depends on what your goal is here is your goal here to provide health care to people.
Because -- the private sector has not been a very good job this -- we -- in the government's gonna turn up at two to three times what we -- costs -- the private sector Gault and two to three times the rate of it but players saying that we are not good government takeover of health care would be cheaper and more efficient than -- private sector I think I think that there would be more people covered in the cost would be lower for if we -- a government play and I government -- is there any way to prove.
No -- here -- market saying and by the way this congress on the same person who said we should unionized doctors I mean look.
We have a veterans administration that's doing -- that's not so great I wish it was doing better.
Op with a one size fits all approach for a single Payer here in United States we've really costs that we don't have the same demographic says.
Britain or Canada and even those health care costs continue to rise very dramatically.
-- in those countries and also this bill which I read.
-- saying that they would pay out increasing test taxpayer funds to increase coverage so you can imagine that they cost for this bill would go up dramatically Rick isn't.
Isn't this really though what the president's intention was all along to go to single Payer government run health care system actually now I frankly wish that it -- but I don't leave the -- let let me just -- a -- -- to say because they he did say that I want why I believe we have the tape of him saying that back in 2003 let's let's roll the tape.
Oh yeah here yeah.
-- I am in favor of single Payer I don't.
I guess I think what was relevant there was it was in 2003.
When he was in fact in favor of it.
To tell you the truth I think secretly the president is in favor of it sadly is no where near what we got in the Affordable Care Act.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It is a public option that would compete on the exchanges with the private insurance companies that's number one.
It's never gonna happen we -- we are recognized because she's the only one who's proposing it is never gonna get through congress number three.
If in fact it could happen the truth is it would probably save about a hundred billion.
Over ten years simply because -- would reduce the amount of subsidies.
They're gonna be pain on the exchanges to people in the lower income brackets are so if you're truly.
A deficit buster -- actually -- -- -- -- -- -- Okay well I'm gonna argue -- -- -- to have mathematics of the whole thing it just a minute but Morgan and the fact is is that.
We knew we were gonna get a full blown government run health care system that that we're gonna inch our way into it isn't that what is in fact happening that.
That obamacare what we -- past -- a couple years ago was just the beginning.
A full blown government take over health care.
Why do you think -- -- makes a good point by saying and it's it's very unlikely that this public option is gonna happen.
But I'm gonna jump on this idea of mathematics funky mathematics here for a second because it -- hundred.
And billion dollar plus number and it's getting thrown around is from a 2009 CBO report Congressional Budget Office report.
But then in 2010 we saw that the number was actually more like sixty billion dollars.
Yeah at two different programs -- its -- funny and I think that's the big issue here with a public option.
Is -- so many answers only questions about whether this would actually make money or lose money one of the biggest things being whether subsidies are going to be involved.
Let him Mikey let's let's just pull back for -- when government takes something over.
Doesn't it get more expensive and more bureaucratic from that it wasn't a private sector -- this is what's happened with other countries that -- try universal health I -- He you can get less -- -- supply to look at Canada you can wait up to a year in Canada for knee surgery for example.
If you go to things like Amtrak that have been run by the government you know they're they're bankrupt without a big -- same thing for the post office.
If you look at Obama care the cost of that have risen dramatically according to the CBO just in the past year as it started to be implemented -- -- no.
Wind power for example mark strategy we got in a win for our week after twenty billion dollars a subsidy cost more to get energy from wind -- now that it did.
Or let's go back to Madison itself -- -- Medicare.
Let's get Medicare hold the biggest government invasion in the health care program that we've had in our lifetimes.
They lose sixty billion dollars a year on waste and fraud you call that efficient.
It it cares it depends on what your philosophy is here look wet I'm Bono was nothing more now what are just they should depend article article not a second mark just answer the question what is sixty billion dollars of loss and Medicare year to waste and fraud efficient if you're figures correct now.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Okay look.
It depends away your philosophy is here no government is not as efficient as a private sector but the private sector is rationing care.
It's only available to people who have lots of money who people who are working -- jobs in jobs where their insured.
There's forty million Americans without insurance so do we want at certain a lead group a sliver of society covered by insurance.
And those people are -- subsidizing the the in the border in the underinsured -- or people are going.
Now -- -- -- efficiencies -- -- -- -- does have more efficient K isn't going to imagine -- holed -- a second guys -- let's get -- OK it's all right do you agree one of the -- going without -- -- let me ask -- efficiency when you look at Medicare in the sixty billion dollars that they waste every year and you think of expanding that by I don't know multiple of ten in order to do what this single Payer plan.
Is that efficiency outside efficiency I would imagine that that figure is even higher because you have to pay for the cops and the bureaucrats to chase down with that sixty billion dollar -- here.
Listen I mean we are on the way to admit.
But we're talking about is that system we have now is broken I agree with mark.
But the Obama care bill is really bad it's a halfway house it is a halfway house -- single -- those mandate taxes are too low ozone or not a second mark.
The -- Texas -- too -- to have enforcement power more people are going to be dumped into the government option.
And by the way Nixon too -- I -- -- -- I -- know what I cannot know or not it's gonna cost a trillion bucks and insinuated SharePoint in -- let me finish -- a big fight ahead of the Nixon price controls we saw enacted in places like Britain and Canada Britain now has fewer MRIs and scanner machines in Canada and there it's Mike at those ends right -- wait list is really long of people coming here for.
And at bargain when we -- free solution that really would work what we think of is putting the individual back in charge when -- individuals in charge of the cost and the care that he is he or she is receiving.
Aren't they more responsible what ever plan we work towards shouldn't that be the goal putting the individual -- in charge.
I I mean I think it's a I think it's a very content -- going back this idea of Medicare I think I think if we want to really fix the budget we are gonna have to take a red -- to read and -- entitlements in general.
Last word for Morgan thank you -- -- think you are.
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