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Hello and welcome to Fox News reporting global warming or a lot of hot -- I'm Bret -- Four months ahead of John the buildup to the Copenhagen conference on global warming.
Its organizers warned the surfaces of the world's ice caps are melting sea levels are rising.
And more droughts and floods are to -- Some of its participants called the conference part of a solution to save humanity.
World leaders one -- each other to spread the message of do.
Amidst the -- and -- law.
Participants gathered to make monumental decisions on how and how much did cut the carbon emissions that they say threaten the world with disaster.
The UN and developing countries repeated calls.
For trillions of dollars in foreign -- Technology transfers and other assistance to help them deal with the projected consequences.
Of global warming.
The source of all this money.
Of course the developed nations led by the US.
There was talk of -- oriented world trade patterns creating new carbon standards for imported and exported goods.
And strengthening international control.
Over the rules and regulations that go with that.
In short to restructure the world's economy as we know.
All the wild to many Americans.
Things don't seem that diet.
So it's not too surprising that when the latest Fox News poll asked Americans about the most important job for the federal government right now.
They ranked global warming.
But as Eric Shawn reports proponents of -- Copenhagen deal don't have the same priorities.
We fail to get our act together and climate change all together.
Then you're talking about really dramatic events if you had to identify one man as the face of Copenhagen it would be evo -- like maybe -- the six was 72.
-- sea level rise.
Dramatic changes in weather problems more storms.
Flooding Himalayan glaciers disappearing mean if we -- of one meets the sea level rise it means displacing twenty million people.
In Bangladesh that might be knocking on you don't back door for someone Tuesday.
Born in Austria to a Dutch diplomat -- -- first got involved in climate change in 1994.
When he helped prepare the position of the European Union in the lead up to the negotiations on the Kyoto Protocol.
Today he is now the executive secretary of the United Nations framework convention on climate change.
That makes him among other things this salesman in chief of the culprit in climate conference and the people -- -- -- to seal the deal -- Is the American public -- -- perhaps the nation most skeptical of global warming but -- says Barack Obama is changing that.
I'm quite amazed by how how President Obama has managed to on this issue around President Obama has said that he wants that he takes this issue seriously.
That he wants the United States to show leadership that he wants to see an agreement.
In Copenhagen but he also -- sees it.
As being central to the US agenda on energy security and an energy prices.
But some American critics fear their plans of international global warming bigwigs like DeVore could represent a gigantic power program.
If you -- in America about -- they'll say they don't want to be told.
What to do they worry that other American sovereignty will be impacted.
And the -- that they'll be having some bureaucrats -- some Europeans.
Guiding our policy in this country.
Well that's the one thing they don't need to worry about we will not have a world government we will not have Europeans telling you what to do.
What we will have if we choose a market based approach if we said let's let's have the market fix this rather than the bureaucracy.
Then you do need to have checks and balances on the market.
That marketplace approach is a world wide Cap and Trade System.
In which industrialized countries can ease the pain of coming back carbon emissions.
By buying carbon credits from less developed countries for the right between that CO2.
The less developed countries learn carbon credits by refraining from activities that increased CO2.
Like building carbon spewing factories are cutting down forests.
But many people don't buy that they think that this forces America to give billions of dollars away -- those people are wrong it doesn't force the United States to give billions of dollars away.
Having said that I do hope that America will reach -- outs.
To developing country.
Americans have to realize that we wouldn't have a climate change crisis.
Had paid attention.
In contrast to -- -- a really strong bluntly points the finger at us.
The grand old man and a view and environmentalism.
Strong was the Secretary General of the UN's first major environmental conference in Stockholm in 1972.
And the first UN sponsored earth summit in Rio de Janeiro two decades later.
He was also a special advisor to former UN Secretary General Kofi act.
In June strong raised eyebrows with a piece in the left of center world policy journal.
In it he said we face and Armageddon that was real and imminent and wondered if democracy was up to the task of dealing with it.
He spoke to us from Beijing where he now lists.
You've written our concepts of ballot box democracy may need to be modified to produce strong government's capable of making decisions difficult decisions.
I think you're exercising developers enough there has to be a high degree of citizen involvement citizen statistics.
I say that over and over again for many years anyone who actually looks.
At the whole article and the other -- though I'm calling for more -- -- democracy.
And more actual involvement.
All people citizens you wrote quote climate change is rooted in the same basic condition that has produced a global financial and economic crisis is the unsustainable.
Nature of our existing economic -- system -- and a great believer in capitalism but not.
He goes and capitalism over the benefit of the few that is why they.
Widened the discrepancies between rich and poor many Americans are worried that if this treaty goes through there will be a global -- -- telling us.
What to do how to live.
How what type of car we can drive a type of light bulbs we would have those are scare tactics.
For those who don't want to happen it's very controversial obviously.
Well it's controversial mainly with people who have an interest in the status quo what do you mean by that.
Well I mean it that feel they're going to be economically damaged -- change.
It's a nasty -- that critics -- global warming are informed not by fax by by self interest.
Same accusation could be leveled -- strong.
Who admits he stands to make money himself if the company can dream of -- worldwide carbon trading usually comes to pass.
You're listed as the vice chairman of the Chicago Climate Exchange.
A for profit company that is building cap and trade market places around the world.
Is that a conflict of interest from you I think it's an expression of actress why shouldn't you.
Put your money where your -- Why should you just sit on the sidelines if he's just throw stones or or -- encourage.
Coming up this hour more on what those emission reduction targets would really mean for America and the poor of the world.
The Obama administration's plans for an end run around congress.
And how fears of global warming may put democracy in the balance.
But first a big leak the private emails of top global warming scientists did they fudge their research.
Fox News reporting continues.
After the break.
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Few of us have the time or expertise to truly understand the complicated math chemistry.
Physics and computer modeling.
The climate colleges use to make the case that global warming is a serious problem requiring an urgent immediate response.
In the end we have to trust the scientists as we do every time we border planes spray for pass or get of Lucia.
But -- to make -- -- private emails of leading global warming scientists.
That revealed talk of employing mathematics tricks to -- data that seem to contradict their theories.
Undermining academic journals that published skeptical research papers and hiding their own scientific dirty laundry.
The -- came just weeks before the Copenhagen conference began.
But -- -- -- explains to understand their importance.
You have to go back to a decade old story.
About a hockey -- The hockey stick up their first instrument you think -- to make the case for manmade global war.
But over and help in the scientific literature that term keeps popping out to be sure not a hockey stick like this.
But like this a graft.
First published in 1990 -- by doctor Michael Mann.
An expert in the little known field of Hayley oh -- apology.
Men set out to plot Northern Hemisphere temperatures over the last thousand years to -- shaped like -- hockey -- Suggest temperatures remained relatively steady for most of those years.
Before rising sharply in the twentieth century.
It's inescapable conclusion is something -- beginning about 19100.
That caused the earth to dramatically he had a -- -- Here you have to -- and other researchers finding that carbon dioxide emissions from cars homes and factories can trap the sun's heat in the atmosphere.
That research viewed in the context of man's hockey stick graph supported a theory that if humans continue to generate even more CO2 it.
They would heat -- the planet so much.
That polar ice caps would melt.
Sea levels would rise gateways would scorch -- planet and the earth would become essentially a -- -- -- made the point so dramatically.
That it was prominently featured in a publication by the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change also known as the IP CC.
-- hockey stick was everywhere and in fact still is everywhere.
Patrick Michaels is senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute a libertarian think -- If you wanted to say is that the current climate was so unusual that terrible things were going to happen in the near future.
It was it was absolutely at the core -- it was in 2002 that man's graph faithfully cut -- of Stephen McEntire.
A retired Toronto mining executive who decided he was -- -- figure out what all this global warming talk was about.
McEntire isn't a scientist but he was a math scholar and he has dealt with geologists all his life.
He told us he emailed man asking for copies of his -- To my surprise that he wrote back that the data was somewhere that he'd forgotten where -- was.
And I thought you know descended on the front page of the UN study that just seemed inconceivable.
That the data was not as his right index finger.
Eventually man did provide data from a study.
Which reconstructed long ago temperature is not from thermometer readings which go back less than 300 years.
But from indirect evidence so called proxy data.
Studies -- ancient ice ocean coral and mostly the ratings of old growth trees.
And every student knows you can tell the age of the -- by counting the -- for example this slice of the giants of Korea.
Here at New York's American Museum of Natural History.
It's more than thirteen hundred years old now they'll they'll climatologists believe that as a general rule the wider the rains the hotter the year.
As you'll see later some say it may not always work out that way.
But again the basic theory is this.
That if you properly analyze the ratings of carefully selected -- -- trees you can accurately reconstruct.
A temperature record going back centuries.
And that's what professor mandate.
Gathering up the various proxy evidence designing a complex series of computer programs to run it through.
And generating that temperature readings that formed as hockey stick graph.
Were you surprised that scientists were so certain.
About their conclusions when it's based on the proxy well.
If you had really good proxy evidence you could be fairly definite about things but I think the problem.
With these -- with the tree ring and ice -- evidence over the thousand year period was that there is a lot of inconsistency.
Before man's hockey stick graph.
Patrick Michaels says manic comic colleges like himself were convinced that the earth went through a medieval warm period approximately 800 years ago.
As this graph and in 1990 IP CC publication indicates during that time long before the advent of the internal combustion engine.
Temperatures were warmer than the present day.
It was a lot of evidence.
For the medieval warm period.
Diverse independent streams of evidence.
And McEntire was trying to figure out Howell result could have come out that was so different.
Then what appeared in this very very -- -- -- literature.
I started noticing problems with the data.
Problems with a doctor a man's data.
On problems MacIntyre says like sloppy clerical errors columns that didn't line up and repeated figures.
Posted up some comments on an Internet chat group and some professors wrote to me and said well.
-- we don't know who you are but you're looking at the data differently than anybody else and stay with it.
And their Ross McKittrick an economist at Canada's university of quell.
Who was also raising questions as Steve just send me an email one day he wanted to -- me the work that he was doing on the hockey stick.
-- -- directors now a visiting professor of economics at the university of bucking ham and England what was your reaction when you saw his analysis about Pakistan.
Just needed to some work to rated up in a way that it could become accessible through other people.
Over the next two years McEntire and the catcher now working together analyze the research Michael -- used to make the hockey stick graph.
They would published two papers.
And some MacIntyre says man's data.
And methodology did not allow him to make the claim that current temperatures are in fact higher than in the medieval warm period.
Let alone to say that with statistical confidence.
Man who has not returned our repeated requests for an interview.
Has claimed their papers contain false and misleading statements.
Climate expert Patrick Michaels at the Cato Institute disagrees.
He says McEntire and the catcher pose a challenge to the settled science that man made global warming is a serious problem -- immediate.
And drastic measures to address.
Yes MacIntyre McKittrick it clearly.
The path of science on this issue is there any chance that what you found -- wrong.
With regard to these specific criticism of the hockey stick graph.
There's no chance that argument was wrong do you believe there is global warming yes and how bad do you think it is.
I don't know whether it's big problem -- medium sized problem.
Or a little problem I'm not satisfied with the explanations that it's and it's a big problem I just don't I don't I honestly don't know.
Because MacIntyre says he continued to find sloppy errors and serious mistakes.
By a number of the world's most prominent global warming researchers.
For instance in 2007.
NASA issued a report that claimed 1998.
Was the warmest year recorded in the continental United States.
McEntire however expose a tactical mistake that forced NASA to issue a correction that 1934.
Was the warmest.
And just last September McEntire identified another major flaw by another renowned climate scientist who used tree ring analysis.
They use a sample that was too small.
Too small for the method they were using that researcher called McEntire is work demonstrably biased.
A sentiment as you'll -- still shared by the global warming research community but as it turns out those scientists would have a lot more explaining to do.
When the world learn what they were saying to one another about the science underlying.
They're dire warnings.
Breaking down the climate gate scandal.
When we return.
One megabytes of emails computer code and other data.
Secretly downloaded from the servers at a leading center of global warming research and then posted on the worldwide web.
In a debate as polarized as that over global warming it's not surprising that what one side sees as a tempest in a teapot.
The other calls one of the biggest scientific scandals in history.
-- today an email to Michael Mann act creator of the famed hockey stick graph.
From Phil Jones.
Head of the University of East Anglia climatic research unit one of the most important academic centers for a global warming scholarship.
Jones is a powerful figure on the UN sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Known as the IP CC.
The subject Stephen McEntire.
And -- McKittrick.
Jones calls them and am the two Canadian GAAP flies -- -- had questioned the work of man and other climatologists.
Phil Jones told Michael -- quote.
I can't see either of these papers being in the next IP CC report.
He promised to quote keep them out somehow even if we have to redefine what the peer review literature it is.
What do you make of that is referring to paper that I accomplished you'll notice there's no discussion of the content he just says and -- -- used my authority as and I can see she lead author.
To exclude that information that exchange from 2004.
Was just one of an astonishing series of emails in which global warming proponents.
Big name scientists in the field.
Talk of controlling the.
Peer review publishing process a cornerstone.
Of scientific inquiry another example from 2003.
The journal climate research published a paper questioning assertions that the twentieth century was abnormally warm a month later man wrote.
It is pretty clear that the skeptics here have staged a bit of a coup I think we have to stop considering climate research as a legitimate peer reviewed -- Here's an example from 2005.
Of climate scientist Tom wiggly -- to Michael -- about going after an editor who doesn't agree with them.
If you think that he is in the greenhouse skeptics -- then if we find documentary evidence -- best.
We could go through official AGU channels to get him ousted plane it was he was clearly concerted attempt.
To take down the reputations of people they disagreed with -- other emails appear to show determination to keep information away from those who might challenge the climatic research unit's work.
In an -- between doctor Jones and doctor man Jones writes about data that McKittrick and you had been seeking for years.
From from -- saying quote.
If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK I think I'll delete the -- rather -- send that one.
He was not to say we also have a data protection act which I will hide behind.
The station -- is that.
He didn't want to send to us he did send to other people that he -- being sympathetic.
Then there is the suggestion that climate scientists were improperly massaging their data.
It's found with -- -- computer codes that they used in their temperature research.
One program contain information referred to as they fudge factor can you explain what the fudge factors.
The the fudge factor is is actually a line written into a computer program.
-- research here.
Where they they run into a problem with the data they -- -- fit some tree ring proxy data to the temperature data.
But the triggering proxy data goes in one direction it goes down the temperature data is going -- in other words at times the tree ring data and the temperature didn't match.
The thermometer said warmer and the tree ring said cooler it almost sounds like it's faking.
It's faking the match the problem is they haven't explained.
That they use this fudge factor to force it to match.
Then it's not being honest with the reader and other programmers note reads these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to the real temperatures.
You all scientists -- this I sure hope not and -- where would we be in in medical science for instance if the A took all the people that died from the experimental treatment and just re coded it's so it looks like they got better then there's this.
Email perhaps the most damaging email a ball.
It was written by Phil Jones to Michael Mann and his co authors in 1999.
The year after their hockey stick graph.
Was published in the prestigious science journal nature I've just completed Mike's nature trick of adding in -- real Temps to each series for the last twenty years.
He continues to say.
To hide the decline.
That stuff about hiding the decline we know what he did with the data and it did have the effect of taking it.
A graphical sloping down make it look like its slopes up the scientists involved are.
-- condemn them of their own miles basic.
Professor Jones denied our request for an interview.
But said in a statement the word trick was used here -- clearly as in -- clever thing to do go Gerald north.
Noted Texas Spain and the university professor of atmospheric sciences an oceanography.
Doesn't think this all amounts to a scandal.
-- use this tree -- that -- To get to the solution.
That's that's just.
You will talk.
What we read in the emails to you was normal back and forth intellectual discussion people are people and just because they look like computer nerds.
They have egos -- and very low key people.
Really want there work recognized and they wanna be first.
The word trick isn't the -- there its hide the decline.
They can't just dismiss this as.
Yeah normal give -- taken.
And there's nothing there but it's what you might expect Patrick Michaels says from climate experts who publicly declare the science is settled.
While privately being confronted with the real world that doesn't always follow their computer models.
He cites more leaked emails from another climate scientists.
Kevin friend birth from the national center for atmosphere search comments on the lack of warming.
In the last ten or twelve years ago and he has to separate emails.
In one of them.
He says it's a travesty.
Because our data system is inadequate to do this right.
And any other one he says it's a travesty.
Because our computer models.
Can't simulate this in science you have to faith you have models and you have data and he is just saying their problems with both of them.
Which you please answer me where the statement quote the science is settled.
The global warming extremists has come from.
-- birth wrote Fox News that is email only.
Suggest we can't fully explain why 2008 was as cool as -- wives but with an implication that warming will come back as a pass.
Michael -- and Tom wiggly did not get back to -- but man recently wrote that -- leaked emails were quote.
Mine for words and phrases they can be distorted.
What the scientists were saying the University of East Anglia added that the fudge factor computer codes were never used for published articles or data.
And defended the climactic research unit's work.
As its director Phil Jones has temporarily stepped aside for a university investigation.
And the world has -- that the unit had discarded much of its original raw temperature data.
One thing about global warming that is not in doubt.
The debate has become extremely polarized.
One side fears environmental ruin the other economic ruin.
A former Greenpeace member looks for middle ground after the break.
He will be enormously expensive and hugely disruptive.
To reduce worldwide greenhouse gas emissions by the amounts the global warming movement wants.
The worldwide economic recession won't make it any easier.
Assume though we could still scraped together a trillion dollars or so to help humanity.
Assume as well that man made global warming is indeed a serious problem.
-- the huge cost of reducing CO2 emissions provide the greatest good for the greatest number of people.
A former Greenpeace activists began asking that question twelve years ago.
And has since turned it into his own crusade for he says common sense.
I used to be this left wing guy and -- member -- not -- mountain -- -- open -- -- just boring intensely about and the environment and being very annoyed about the right wing government in Denmark not doing enough for her environment and so on.
But born lumber says he also wanted to be sure of the facts so it began studying the issue and concluded he says that all -- off.
The world nowadays was actually better off than he had figured we better that we live longer we have hired comes word.
Better educated and actually in many instances in developed countries air pollution is gone -- water pollution is gone now we have more protective force.
This doesn't mean they're not lots of problems in our societies in the world at large.
It means we can start talking about where can you do the most -- first.
Lundberg says that's been his mission ever sense in 2004 he formed what he called the Copenhagen consensus.
Gathering some of the world's top economists including four Nobel laureates and asking them a key question.
How much do you get if you spend trillions of dollars and climate change how much good do you actually do for future generations.
Vs if you spend enough money and helping the -- obvious problems that we have right now the panel's answer was a shocker for global warming activists.
They made a ranked list of all the great things she can do in the world and what they showed was him.
Portal for everyone who dies in this time this year -- from easily curable infectious diseases.
Maybe we should do something about that malnutrition.
It's about getting free trade and getting a successful -- research and development and agricultural.
Technologies and on and off.
At the very bottom coolest was cut carbon emissions.
It's one of the things that we all talk about.
But it's actually one of the least effective ways to help the world.
We're told the ice caps are melting the -- -- -- and I think that's part of the information that's not very helpful in building an understanding how we need to deal with climate change -- If the world really was scary maybe we should say so but it's not.
To join climate panel estimate that sea level rise will be somewhat in half and two feet sea level rise over the past or two feet.
Between half a foot and two feet not over the next over the next -- a hundred years till 2100 I don't know if not twenty feet -- we didn't happen.
I think so very much we know how big of a challenge that's put us oil rises.
Because over the last 115 years -- rose about a foot.
And so we can see what we dealt -- pretty effectively.
And mom works as cutting worldwide carbon emissions on the other hand it's jaw dropping only expensive.
The economists are actually very very clear -- us if we follow the current path.
Reduce our temperatures -- two degrees centigrade which is what -- ominous sign up to the cost is going to be phenomenal.
Forty trillion dollars per year at the end of the century 40000000000040.
Trillion -- Oxfam one of the organizations that help Third World countries and they actually had -- an amazing statistic they point this.
Governments are starting to talk about taking fifty billion -- away from.
-- from development aid and spending it on climate change policies.
The amazing thing is they claim -- fifty billion dollars we could say four point three million.
In the other hand if we spend it on climate change policies.
Even if we did it -- the most effective manner we could postpone global warming by the end of the century by about six hours.
So what does -- -- think we should do about global warming invest for the long term.
Instead of wasting money on what he calls -- effective short term solutions.
We should cut carbon emissions by investing dramatically -- research and development so we have technologies to pick up the slack.
And make dramatic reduction in say 2840 years the problem -- -- -- exit this very -- time.
British columnist and environmental activists George -- BO is one of many environmentalists who charge that lumber under estimates the impact of global warming.
Let's see what's already taken place and most of the world's glasses are in retreat you can see this for yourself if you go to the Rocky Mountains and see photos of I -- taken 5060 years ago.
And you stand in the same spot and compare it to to today.
It's a huge change we see the -- Shiites in the Arctic -- -- And a very steady progression to terrifying picture.
When you seal that put together the only thing which can affect that reality is for us to reduce our production of greenhouse gases.
Where claiming we're gonna cut right now we put up these windmill farms of these -- panels -- and we feel good about it we spend it on things that cost a lot.
And -- doing very little -- for the climate.
That's stupid do you sometimes feel that your tilting at Windmills tilting when -- -- -- understand it means that you don't ever get anywhere.
But I think if you speak in a calm voice -- some reason with the -- economic evidence that we -- I think actually pulls people back in and I think you'll come around and say we like -- better policy.
Coming up climate controversy and the congress.
The house passes a -- to drastically reduce carbon emissions what would those cuts mean for everyday Americans.
You might be -- surprise.
After the break.
From the moment.
-- you know if you begin to flow and it was.
During his presidential campaign Barack Obama spoke about climate issues in almost biblical terms.
Despite his soaring rhetoric Americans seem to be growing less concerned about climate change.
Four years ago 60% of Americans describe global warming as a crisis were a major problem today that's down to 50%.
In that same time the percentage who say global warming is not a problem at all has nearly doubled to about a quarter of the public.
But that didn't stop the Democrats in the House of Representatives.
From passing a climate bill that could cost US companies billions of dollars.
And drastically Alter the US economy and our way of life.
In the middle of the night on June 26 2009.
The House of Representatives passed by a vote of 219 to 212.
The Waxman Markey clean energy bill.
Pages long the bill sets limits on CO2 emissions that -- many aspects of American life.
If you were to pass the senate he would mean that by 2015.
CO2 emissions would have to be reduced by 80%.
Or more they would be a reduction of 2% per year all -- carbon -- Into the atmosphere from the United States.
-- and then every company in.
The United States.
That was responsible.
-- substantial emissions of Cochran.
Well would have to find the least costly way to reduce.
There carbon footprint Massachusetts Democrat Ed Markey co sponsored the bill.
You are saying here is our requirement figure out how to get there but if you don't.
Then what happens all we're going to get there our capacity for technological.
It's unlimited -- seems to understand that this means lowering our CO2 emissions to level the US last experienced in 1910.
A hundred years ago Steven Hayward is a scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.
And a co author of the annual index of leading environmental indicators.
A publication that tracks environmental trends.
Take us back to our -- level of a century ago.
Essentially requires replacing our entire fossil fuel infrastructure eventually even have to get rid of almost all natural gas as well as coal and oil.
And replace them with why we simply don't have that much alternative energy.
Available at that scale at any price you know the critics say that's just not doable mean that's what that's that they -- The average vehicle in the United States in.
When we had the first OPEC embargo was thirteen miles per gallon but the United States then.
Made a commitment to double in the fuel economy standards by 1986 and we did it on new goals to increase it to 35.
-- by 2060.
We will meet that goal that's American ingenuity that's what I'm banking.
On here American ingenuity commanded by government.
Using a mechanism called cap and trade.
It would work something like this the government sets a limit on the amount of carbon -- industries a company or in theory an individual can admit.
That's the -- contained in the bill.
It then distributes a kind of currency called carbon credits that represents the amount of CO2 -- entity is allowed to emit.
Those that exceed their cap must buy credits from other enterprises that are under their -- that's the trade.
Thus allowing the purchaser of carbon credits to -- extra CO2.
While the sellers financially rewarded for emitting less than a -- The caps are reduced over time thus lowering emissions.
That was also the theory in Europe.
Which is already operating under its own Cap and Trade System and the results have been closely want.
In places that it has been tried.
How is it works of four.
They believe in it over there it's a global warming it's almost religion Myron bell is the director of energy and global warming policy.
At the Competitive Enterprise Institute a libertarian think jacket or what we've seen so far is.
It is reducing emissions -- much.
Their electricity prices have gone through the roof.
They're pretty close to 20% unemployment now they're not getting much out of it that they're spending a lot of money how do you respond to that.
That the revolution in Europe is one that is still in its -- stages.
On they admit that they made a few mistakes.
In the way in which they set up their system initially -- decision was not to jump the system but rather to -- To modify treasury economists.
-- That the cost -- cap and -- would range between 100 billion.
Dollars per year to 400 billion dollars per year what would that cost the average household that ranges between about 850 dollars per year.
-- -- over 3500 dollars per year this would constitute.
The largest tax increase in the history in America at least eight times larger than any of the tax increase.
It would be devastating in terms of jobs and costs for the American people it's now up to the senate to take up cap and trade.
And nobody is more determined to block at bear and the Republican senator from Oklahoma.
James in -- you've been quoted as saying that a fraud has been perpetrated here.
But I believe that I use hoax more than fraud said that because what they are all saying in trying to do is stop this machine called America.
It is all scare tactics now.
There is your relationship I would suggest -- -- I think.
Between man -- gases and global warming.
The question is.
-- and the whole country be run without that without oil gas and coal and nuclear today in the -- know how much.
Would it cost the American people.
Our present strategy cost us we spent 350.
Billion dollars a year importing oil.
That's half of -- trade deficit.
Half about trade deficit and there's no number -- -- -- in off.
Convention is known over that anyone.
Did even remotely matches this wealth transfer.
So you think cap and trade still has a chance to passed this congress all without question you know the momentum is building if there's anyone who's watching this.
Who's concerned about that bill passing.
Don't -- zero chance to -- -- it's the same people who said it couldn't pass and I also announcing that impasse in the senate so that's gives me a lot of comfort.
The legislative debate is not over but whether congress ultimately gives President Obama a bill to sign may not even matter.
With the administration has turned over a whole car that would allow them to try and circumvent those elected represented use altogether.
Fox News reporting continues.
After the break.
More proof of how climate change divides America from the latest Fox News poll.
Asked to describe the global warming movement 41%.
Believe it's a group of truly concerned citizens who see an imminent threat.
Exactly the same number think it's a group that sees an opportunity to gain political power and make money.
Earlier this our current and former UN officials told Americans not to worry about ceding power or money to whole global warming.
No one has written that are concept of ballot box democracy may need to be modified to produce strong government's capable of making difficult decisions.
Does he have a point and is an end run around congress already in the works here in washing.
Today I'm proud to announce that EPA's finalize its endangerment finding on greenhouse gas pollution and is now authorized and obligated.
To make reasonable efforts to reduce greenhouse pollutants under the Clean Air Act.
So -- Environmental Protection Agency head Lisa Jackson on December 7.
Announcing what may be the biggest regulatory intervention in US history.
Into every facet of American life.
The next day and Obama administration official announced if congress did not pass the law cutting US carbon emissions.
The EPA would impose its regulations.
In a quote command and control way.
Fast food restaurants apartment buildings office buildings.
You can regulate almost anything except councils and the idea you're gonna go in and regulate the old fashioned command and control regulation.
Tiny little business -- an apartment buildings is preposterous the very idea was a remarkable reversal of American democratic practice.
-- congress writes laws.
And bureaucrats put them into practice this time the bureaucrats were telling congress.
What laws to right.
But some lawmakers like democratic congressman Ed Markey.
We're fine with that remember.
The EPA is an agency created by this committee.
I created by the elected representatives of the American people so if we want to change the direction we want the EPA to take.
Then we should pass a law sending them in a new direction.
Do you think the Obama administration can move forward with climate change efforts through the Environmental Protection Agency.
Separate of congress yes I think he's felt he could do that all along he didn't want to do.
Because he would like to say -- that congress did that that is I didn't.
Now he can say he has take full responsibility -- and Republican senator in office flew to -- and -- Where he spoke out about hockey stick graphs and leaked emails.
And declared any deal cut by President Obama would be dead on arrival back home.
On Friday President Obama arrived in -- -- there is no time awaits.
America's made our choice.
We have charted our course we have made our commitments we won't do what we say.
Now I believe it's the time for the nations and the people the world.
To come together.
-- -- behind a common purpose the president left with what he called a meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough sufficient with the -- We've come a long way but we have much further to go.
To continue moving forward we must draw on the effort that allowed us to succeed here today.
The president also promised without over promising to continue to push for lower emissions back home.
How hard and how quickly he -- We'll determine how drastic the changes could be to our lifestyle.
And indeed our way of life.
How will play out no one can tell yet but it's worth noting that in a democracy.
We the voters still have a set.
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