Political Insiders 1/28/2013
Pat, John and Doug discuss immigration reform and the Benghazi hearings
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- Date Jan 28, 2013
Pat, John and Doug discuss immigration reform and the Benghazi hearings
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Good morning welcome back after a little hiatus the political -- -- are back.
Doug shown -- develop accountability and we have a lot to talk about chance.
We were on Fox News Channel -- are normal Sunday afternoon 5:30 PM.
We briefly mentioned that an hour and a half later at 7 o'clock.
Was going to -- did on sixty minutes a unique interview with the president of the United States and the secretary of state sitting next to each other.
And it was announced that the president himself had asked sixty minutes for this joint appearance.
And we talked about it last night let's go over this now that sure seemed that thing.
If there was anything to say was the -- -- twenty minutes of sixty minutes -- -- but there's a lot behind the scenes.
-- John we are political insiders.
And our job and responsibility.
Is to assess not only what we saw.
-- what it means that I think in this case as your initial comments suggested what it means is far more significant.
Than what was said.
And obviously I'm curious what you impact thing but my reaction was.
It was an effective.
For the secretary.
For four years of service loyal service as well this particular service.
Vis a vis the tragedy.
In -- -- The bottom line is the secretary of state by taking responsibility.
For Ben doesn't.
And discussing here that she did has kept both during the campaign and after any and all blame off the president.
And in response to me the political implications to be very clear.
But what was said was the president effectively.
The secretary of state.
For the nomination and one is sixteen and I don't think there's anything any other conclusion you can reach.
Particularly given the timing and nature of the broadcast.
Panel that is the nicest way that I heard put -- Arizona going to put it in a blue moon wouldn't go to Roger you've laid it out exactly right good Sam and I just is that you more nice thank you -- understand -- had more laying it out a very rational calm.
If you will.
Todd -- what this is about the answer what's associate political pay -- the first -- Hillary Clinton did which you said by taking responsibility -- all by doing the hearing and being.
Frankly it's to be sadly since I had endorsed her hoped she'd been that would have been present this and we endorse her for 2122012.
Used to be disingenuous and she was about the great.
Fiction of the White House the political disaster waiting Obama in the White House for the -- that they came up with -- the -- She's in which she did what was the life that life was to say that there was a videotape that Paula told this.
What in fact we know that in fact it was a terrorist attack.
And everything that they have -- his and you know it -- at other little let's go backwards part of this the greatest burden for this.
Falls on Romney the worst candidate of -- time and his campaign in the worst ever.
Which was to died on the issue and by diving bail while the mainstream media live by more once my great -- Bob Woodward lived and died.
In the press -- not telling sort.
There were things in the -- which by the way you know I think we should take a minute talk about.
Because Hillary Clinton was masterful.
She was masterful in the set up in the Republican's words incompetent that it -- was for the most part.
With the exception I would say -- -- Johnson rubio home continent asking questions.
-- you didn't watch all six hours I've watched all six hours and I was for the flu will do little I was almost and -- -- so nauseated when I was daughter I just I got from the floor of the hearings hearings I felt both but I felt.
My country but I thought to myself -- -- Watergate about Iran Contra.
When I watch no one in my party willing she -- any criticism.
And by the way just to say several think it is clear to me from the bits -- -- you could take away.
That that date that night was total chaos in the White House that they were totally out of control that the secretary of state did not speak to the president for twelve or fourteen hours.
Was on it was unbelievable secondly that nobody asked anyone -- left the compound what it happened.
Because the Republicans because they failed every had one had to give their roles features.
Know what ask the pertinent questions that should have been asked the same you take this question take this -- the whole thing was eighth just.
Eight a -- sets -- -- stick for a minute I agree with you let's stick to the sixty minutes thing I think you're right it's a pay off.
But at some bigger -- than just Ben Ghazi I think it's also pay off to the big dog Bill Clinton.
What car you rescued.
John president Obama's vacant beginning at the convention but it really turn this race around what that speaking.
Let me make -- -- -- -- you and -- react to it I believe that we're going into the convention the president was even with Romney and slipping.
And the President Bill Clinton after his speech Obama was for.
-- three to five points ahead I'd make the assertion.
-- -- simple Bill Clinton.
Effectively we elected Barack Obama.
Gave them the bolts that allowed him to sustain the disastrous first debate.
And campaigned around the country and kept his support -- is that an overstatement I.
Think god and all only if it is it's only slightly -- -- what he did at the critical moment was focused give Obama's campaign which had no message.
A move that we wish to win.
A message right Sosa took on the Republicans and would you -- guilty cushion.
Which builds in September or so after the first debate.
And went around so I think that date that fact is that I think the -- and I say pay off because of the liberal but.
Look this is -- recognition.
That I all of these guys on delivery and remember the most amazing thing.
The president of the United States picked up the phone.
Whole sixty minutes so that that we can have probably sixty -- for let's go to that -- go to sixty and become a huge hit all the greatest news magazine.
In our if you Don Hewitt the man who made sixty minutes exactly.
Must be spinning in here.
RX I told you off the air and I talked to a producer of sixty minutes last night.
Who told me that she's been there for twenty some odd years that there is no way if Don Hewitt the founder creator.
Managing editor wherever it was for ever of sixty minutes if he were alive today.
-- that tape was shown to have he would not have repaired it he would've said we can't we think what kids or he would have made Mike Wallace did the interview and made -- really -- -- -- them and asked why are we doing to senator what's really behind them what are what is the deal here.
It mirrors what you brought up on Ben Ghazi in general and you hear is his ceiling crawl media -- she's written journal I have.
They're not they they -- the enemy of the people in the country is in his sixty minutes -- decided to do its job is either to be the most democratic outlet but particularly the Obama White House I'll let it Steve croft has made himself nothing but an adjunct to the press office.
And that was his embarrassing -- thing.
It you're right.
Did Michael -- put it toward those who love our it would have been big duke tell me what was going down on Obama would never have called he -- -- we just gonna get right.
That's good point now telling -- what last part of the sixty minutes -- Obama recipes that I -- I've got to say.
All of this my -- so upset because remember their Ford dead Americans.
A new America -- as well I don't know I don't.
The truth and I -- guys -- you and John.
The question Hillary past.
And say how would you respond -- Hillary said there are forward -- a -- Americans what does it matter she said.
If it was paid.
Act of terrorism demonstration.
Ford guys walking down the street whatever she's said what what would you have said to her I would have to do let me tell you some in this tells you.
Just how lame -- all these people are that no one after Ron Johnson is doing it by the no other senator that said.
Madam secretary that is the single most outrageous statement I've ever -- -- see why it matters it matters because our war dead people -- matters for the American people have a right to know the truth.
It was it terrorist attack in it.
It may have been politically inconvenient for you when the president.
But didn't we are talking about something much greater are your it would be integrity of our political -- -- Mike Wallace was doing the -- know if your editor comes from the start track nobody on that -- There was no war.
Who indicated other -- -- Ron Johnson followed him.
Who had any sense of patriotism.
Or any sense of personal outrage oldest woman to do their politics they are all miserable failures.
What we're gonna go on -- -- -- my -- -- was with -- presidential and secretary of state sitting there -- what did you think I think the I think everything you guys -- is right I think that when you have a chance to question the president and the secretary of state and I'm thinking when you're talking.
We've had some -- and the secretaries of states do some big things kick your administration.
Camp David did we ever see Cyrus Vance and Jimmy Carter on sixty minutes -- -- Has resigned after after a tragedy right but that well -- -- he responded because.
-- -- raid failed it was array of post he opposed any and -- failed and he felt that it was announced job on.
Matter of honor to rose to -- the last time in this country that I can remember where a senior official of the government.
-- what we used to be time honored felt the need the that they should resign because.
It's Vegas it's what we've lost all what I watch my party the democratic senate.
And no one of them ever -- critical question.
I've been I think two -- that Clinton is -- he -- it seriously I don't think they've had any great accomplishments to your point John certainly not you know which.
But she has -- she's represented the country I think she's -- some -- that front runner cut.
Front runner she's a nominee in she -- the president.
Well let's wait for four years -- right now she is but let me ask you this what do you think the country don't mean this morning.
If she is he has a presumptive nominee by the way you are in the I don't wanna say because I've their history there but I think -- -- John Deal with the -- Joseph -- Once -- -- what was going on at 725.
Last night in the naval observatory.
Where the vice president's official residence as I say so you'll want and why do you want one thing that did not happen.
Last night the vice president did not pick up the phone.
-- Present the president Paul raffle and 16100 Pennsylvania Avenue and say.
Thank you very much Mr.
President you have to know this is this is in the Reverend Wright people with the -- president.
As president should be I suppose -- But to show absolutely no loyalty regard aka someone who's been pretty but the answer to sixteen is -- -- question of -- list.
I wonder what this country that I think that this is supposed to be the -- and coordination of Jeb Bush vs Bill Clinton.
If this is all this country that people are gonna say all that I've got -- -- Spies but the -- -- actually Jeb Bush he's got a book coming out this spring on immigration reform.
And there's a new Fox News poll out about what the public thinks we had to do -- immigration.
We're gonna come back in a moment for Doug and pat and John -- over the political insiders will be back to talk immigration in about a minute.
A pair were back political insiders Packard -- -- shop job today and now we're gonna switch over to the other hot news item that's Monday morning.
Which is the leaking of the news from the senate that the bipartisan group of senators has reached a deal.
On immigration reform this follows Boehner saying speaker -- of today similar group and the house has reached an agreement.
We only know the broad strokes of it it is somehow to legalize the status of the they call.
Eleven million people who -- undocumented here.
It's unclear yet -- haven't had an announcement what it is but we have a fox poll out this morning which will put up on the screen.
Do you favor a pathway to citizenship.
We're gonna define that in a minute 66%.
Send them illegals back -- 17%.
Having guest worker program which we already do have by the way 13%.
To two thirds of the people in a fox poll.
Favor a pathway to citizenship which during the primaries.
Was translated into amnesty that if you came here illegally.
You will end up under this plan you'll end up.
The same status.
As anybody else who came here legally who spent maybe -- decade waiting in their home country.
To even get entry to the United States than in years to get a green card and then years more to -- an American citizen.
So is there going to be any push back on this thing or are Republicans just going to roll over out of fear.
John you -- -- stand the bipartisan agreement.
It will entail what the fox poll showed as most popular two thirds saying a pathway to citizenship is the most.
Policy and a tough border security program.
Because for the Republican right.
Border security is more important.
Then either of these three options and I think by combining the two you can put to Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer on the same delicate.
Exodus that Twitter we had a tweet in from Twitter on us from the American -- dot net.
What do you believe is the real reason behind the Republican change of position.
On immigration the loss of the election pure and simple they listen to.
Pat to delta probably -- Doug shows political insiders you don't need to be B.
Expert in the Arista to the end computation to understand.
That -- 12% of the electorate is Hispanic.
And it is a growing part going up try to fourteen or fifteen by the next election.
That if you've written off African Americans and you write off through draconian integration policies Hispanics.
You're not gonna win too many elections if you need to get 65%.
Of the white vote to win.
Bottom line they're they woke up to reality.
You know I I agree with that.
I mean behind and it's clearly that.
Plus is saying is look this is we've got to deal with this problem I think the question is gonna come.
There's I understand the deal -- not only include border security which I've never seen anybody do.
But but the you don't put -- top this -- -- employer sanctions that actually putting real teeth and of that which you have to do.
The real question here is the equities and -- In terms of when that I've I've that we bolsa recent -- nobody to round up eleven million people throw them out.
And the self deportation is that LeBron decided to blow the election with one of the great moments of his early camp in the primary it doesn't work too well -- there.
So the answer is.
The question is why I think -- conferring sums legal status to stay here but -- that pathway to citizenship is not our Jewish.
In -- time consuming because frankly personally.
I would say you can have a green card and stay in the country but you broke the law that has not -- all the people's the way around the world.
You can stay here your children Hughes and her family.
But you're not going to be a citizen but that's my -- position because I think equities matter but I -- think.
Whatever -- -- -- -- and he he cannot say that just anyone breaking the -- we will finally give in on.
So you've got to have something that ends this my point is after this.
If you -- -- the country illegally.
You were smash that you just cannot open the door to a flood waged a war immigration or we just auto and -- national.
One that point -- -- point.
On band says don't they say this every three years or so immigration reform.
Posh more new laws that will not be enforced what a waste of time and -- Here's the thing.
The Republicans found in 2006 and 2007.
That by failing to do immigration.
It hurt the party that point they didn't wake up to reality did nothing.
-- late as I was saying.
They lose they do less they move in Europe.
In the run up to -- 2012 election they lose again.
They need 40% of the Hispanics to win is George Bush got in 2004.
This is the only way I think they can get close to it notwithstanding the substance of the -- Doesn't this chat the camaraderie is gonna show us I think.
That this thing will rip apart the right.
Which is the idea big event 323 says -- -- pathway for citizenship.
Exclamation point and and what's not factored in news.
The Republican base doesn't want to give amnesty to these people don't believe that a and there are going to be very unhappy when the Republicans on the hill give -- -- As far as sitting on what I say we're not done I mean I think maybe that's -- -- -- -- -- the -- -- maybe -- -- everything in this -- should be -- -- on the -- -- But to the extent that we used him tried to maintain and after being -- I've decided -- no one cares anymore.
The Who quit the equity seem to me so it's fair reasonable these people who have -- here -- get to stay.
So thing that you can there's got to be -- compromise here.
The democratic position is simple make also doesn't really didn't vote tomorrow until we get more votes which makes some sense and it works it works and it works and it work -- it and it -- and I want to get to those who -- -- -- decision.
The president just changing the law what it feels like -- loaded in a -- Where I want to get to that the other thing is if they pass this thing that we put on the this will not be negotiated -- you know this is -- tell us.
Eight senators making.
Deal with the -- how the patriot wants this off the table right if it becomes the law of the land does this not invite another wave of the legal immigrant in the answer has to be good -- is it -- to solve the problem here.
But it is not open that door because that door is the one that is the problem.
Right -- -- as everybody else has been to all let's do what had two other things to do very quickly last Friday a federal appeals court three judge panel ruled that the president.
Overreached a year ago when he made some recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board this thing's gonna end up going to the Supreme Court.
And this is the war when he's running for reelection he was found to.
Abuse his power over reach a little bit in making these appointments.
Now that he's been reelected you can imagine the hubris and the arrogance in the White House.
Is this thing and -- go to the Supreme Court and will it be upheld and will he be struck down.
Have his powers' narrative that.
I suspect he probably will have his powers.
Narrowed a bit but to -- the political significance.
Is this is the first time I'm curious what pat thanks.
That the president in his overreaching.
Trying to control all the levers of power has been told no by anybody like in a clear and convincing way.
The Republicans have in the Supreme Court on health care ended up -- all pulling that thing right with the Republican Chief Justice -- T gotten progressively of the.
The most bizarre decision in the history -- -- -- do -- -- -- gymnastics but look this is a court it is this as a unanimous decision.
It's not being appealed to the -- hearts Circuit Court would suggest to me would have done I think they went over the -- -- departing recent.
But the truth of the matter is.
They have said that this is he can't do what I think if you get the Republicans -- what you brought weapon for the reason you just said.
-- it's the first time he's been told though his position is and I listen to Dick Durbin.
Hypocrite on the whole time on -- on Marshall out of the all Democrat.
Who's who would have been -- setting up the that this -- This only system like to stop George Bush he said well you know they won't make the appointments the president -- they had to do something.
This thing up we will you know what we can't wait.
-- the president's doing his own EPA on on what trying to -- push through.
Climate control cap and trade through the regulatory process get the Republicans in the the opponents of the president's overreach.
Don't use this as a springboard what I wanna know is a part of the house tomorrow I would define.
The national labor relations board for the president agreed to wage a legal process.
But put them so far you see it's not the Republicans -- -- no -- cut it has been more core and the first time somebody said no mister president.
And the issue was rule of law it should there be -- the president in his inaugural speech that know basically an out of court says yes that's in there would be interest in.
Real fast and we've been saying on here for years that the Republicans needed a positive pro growth agenda we never heard it from -- -- in the house -- senate.
We now have today an article in the New York Times majority leader Eric -- or has announced his agenda.
Which Doug is -- -- Pro growth.
Compassionate agenda using tax credits to help.
Poor people it's an effort to emphasize.
The future technology innovation it's where the Republicans should have been a year ago.
It isn't clear to me.
Then isn't what political insiders was saying for a whole year it is simply not right -- is that it is actually right.
Let's say if we take a victory lap the only thing.
That I can say that makes very little sense bat.
Is why did -- wait until the Republican blowout was clear and unambiguous he tones of the dancers this.
Didn't think they had to before they thought they -- themselves and that we -- to win by.
Being the crappy meaning that whatever no matter what we said no matter what we did no matter what other people tried to tell them.
Now they've learned their lesson there on the verge of becoming the -- Party and that's what is forcing their hand.
Nothing like -- there is a program and development at five surrendered -- break confidentiality.
If you remember there was a reality show called Hogan knows best about Hulk Hogan.
Could Goodell knows best properly and I'll close calls by all -- that'll be perfect.
Via television that -- but this is the old single Johnson's point about you know the thing that -- -- countries among the -- hanging in the Morton right prospect that's -- -- that yeah especially when you've expected to.
I get out of jail free card if this -- got to wrap.
America gets to do so for.
Pat Caddell Doug -- and Joba rule today we'll be back Sunday at 530 on the Fox News Channel and next Monday here on foxnews.com.
At 1030 we thank you for.
Joining us and we'll see you next week.