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And I want to welcome -- recording executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies.
He is also a contributor -- national review online.
And -- a few books on the issue what's wrong with the deal we're now talking about.
Possibly happening among both Republican and democratic senator.
Well the first point to remember is that -- basically the same thing as.
President Bush and Senator Kennedy and McCain were pushing last time in 2006.
Was rejected and bit.
Key issue I think.
Stop future illegal immigration war.
Are the promises of enforcement not likely to be implemented leading to another.
Eleven million illegal -- down the road seems to me that's really.
The question I -- -- and -- -- the eleven million here now what what happens you've got a better plan.
Well yeah I mean would to be personable that what you do is.
I think you do giving amnesty to the small number of people who came here as infants and partly this is the a limited version of the DREAM Act is a good pace to make for him misting those people.
For the rest of the illegal immigrants what we need is what I describe as attrition to report.
In other words rather than have the false choice to either legalizing everybody war.
You know rounding them all up and deporting them on Wednesday which we couldn't do you -- -- What you do since this took years to get into this pickle.
If you back out of it by enforcing the law consistently across the board so -- the illegal population.
Shrinks over -- -- -- trick and what would there still people here they're working they're getting tax ID cards contributing to the economy what do you do the people.
Millions of which are here you can ignore them and I have to live underground kind of you don't want them.
What little of that underground the iris is giving them that have been a merger talk.
-- -- -- thankfully that's a problem calling 911 where they go into emergency rooms.
What you knew about these decorum here.
You're violating the -- -- -- people what -- you don't want these people who have to eliminate some bruised.
Environment what -- do it right I don't I want them to -- Get their prayers and order and -- but they're not going to let's be realistic -- -- -- did not gonna -- on did -- told a substantial portion of them will -- or maybe not all go -- under what circumstances.
What you eat the whole point to immigration enforcement and this isn't anything you know knew the point is to make it.
As possible who live here as an illegal order CK good.
Get a driver's license you can't lead a normal life.
We have simply chosen not to -- Well -- government in Illinois now the fourth state to give licenses.
And it's really sticky issue is -- not.
No I mean -- what the driver's license.
He is our national ID system we don't have a federally run.
System we have a distributed these Clinton called -- since he might be -- since -- And no I'm sorry but somebody with a driver's -- isn't necessarily any better driver and somebody.
But it can't take a -- to get a license and your license to operate a vehicle.
Chances are you're safer than those who don't go through that process.
All of this is always based on the premise.
That we have to basically give up and incorporate.
Into the legal institutions of our society and when you do that you have essentially already started amnesty them.
And the federal government likewise says it's okay to use.
The Mexican government illegal -- ID card called the particular console -- to open bank accounts.
You know the -- -- local jurisdictions.
Routinely will ignore.
Occupancy rules of -- thirty or forty people living at home because they're illegal immigrants they're kind of considered this sort of protected class that the law is not allowed.
To operate -- and so no we sent -- very clear message.
The illegal immigrants that you know there are in Russia and your kriegel appear -- -- lobby congress and future picture in the newspaper.
And that have to change for us to begin to reassert.
So you weren't immediately or make it tough for them to be -- -- shame them and that but I prefer the term undocumented worker to illegal immigrant.
Well I -- narrator.
First -- -- illegal immigrant is the actual legal term.
And they're not undocumented they have lots of documents and they're not all necessarily workers and seven or eight million of the eleven or twelve million have jobs the other.
People resident -- illegal human beings and by the -- let me point out the border is safer now than ever more secure we have fewer people coming in.
We have more arrests at the border.
Border crossings at a forty year low so really.
Things are going in the right direction in terms of enforcement.
Well part of that is because important we do in fact have better control the border but a big part of that -- the economy.
And in fact what we've seen I was in the past year.
That border crossings are effect or apprehensions -- effect going up and the thing to remember is the border he's only about half or 60%.
Of the illegal immigration problem for about 40% of the whole illegal population came in legally.
And then just never left.
And border enforcement is irrelevant to those people.
You know as well the other issue here is the political calculation.
In that Republicans know they need to do this to get elected with a growing Hispanic population so from a purely pragmatic point of view they know they gonna make a deal.
No there's no case for that at all really known -- absolutely zero now.
There is -- case I think in that respect.
May -- for some limited version of the DREAM Act as we're talking about illegal whose parents inflicted on them -- illegal status by bringing them here children.
But no this will result them and I actually would put -- around the fact if the congress passes something like what the senators outlined today.
The Republicans will lose the House of Representatives -- 2014 because why would any Republican voter come out and vote for these jokers if they're backing -- -- Well because I think that's -- the public is and that's where.
We're headed -- you may be on the wrong side of history about this in the wrong side of where we're headed as a country.
Well you know as.
Jimmy Stewart wants and Mr.
Smith Goes to Washington lost -- of the older ones were putting pork.
And 2000 -- -- everybody thought amnesty was a done deal President Bush.
Really genuinely believe.
That was just a matter of time and all finished and when it collapsed.
He and a lot of other people were just they have no idea what.
And you think this -- collapses well.
Well you don't think -- a deal in the in the off thing we'll have.
No I think in the end of this year there's not going to be any bill.
On the president that the house may pass something the senate -- -- something.
Although neither one of those is even a done deal but there isn't going to be any final legislation for the president's -- Well I hope you're wrong but I thank you for talking with mark -- you're -- to -- -- -- Korean.
Executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies.
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