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What does possible Boy Scouts change mean for gay rights?

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Our journey is not complete until our gay Brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law.

We are truly credited -- then surely the love we commit to one another.

Must be equal as well.

President Obama of course of the inauguration.

Talking about what -- care -- a civil rights issue.

Gay rights and this comes in a broader context as were talking about immigration.

Also the Boy Scouts only seven months after the boy scouts of America reaffirmed this decision.

It's right to exclude gays.

Thirteen years after the Supreme Court said the private organizations could in fact exclude.

Anybody.

Expected next week and there are some people that have a major problem that.

Somehow in the name of diversity all organizations need to be the same I think this is part of the broader assault on what sociologists call civil society.

On the ability of people to -- -- their lives of community organizations that are different to reflect the wonderful diversity of America this is not about.

Homophobia this isn't about.

Anything resembling that it's about the fact that the overwhelming majority of the families in scouts adhere to a traditional biblical view of moral values.

With which we think homosexuality.

Is incompatible.

We don't want her son's mentor by gay man.

We're about this back of the panel Charles.

Well and I think that the first thing that we have to remember in this is that each side ought to give the other side some respect.

I know that the gay rights side.

Wants to argue that this is a civil right to use my -- equality.

And I respect that on the other hand there are people who believe.

For reasons that are religious or there's a Catholic Church for example that did today that they have qualms.

-- to put it mildly.

About homosexuality.

You know and the -- -- church as a billion adherents.

And throw as humans have flaws is an institution that has since gone on parallel group code in the world and continues.

Those who good work so it ought not be denigrated.

When Obama speaks about all of us I believe he's passionate about but let's remember.

For the first three and have fears of his presidency was against gay marriage so I think it's rather odd if you wanna call people who oppose it the -- -- Then -- -- you have to -- is that Obama in the first three and a half years of his.

Presidency was bigoted.

Which I think is absurd so I -- like to see.

The two sides agree at least on respecting each other's sincerity.

And depth of belief and I would say it's a Boy Scouts does this on its own that's doing civil society ought to work.

What I object to his Coalition of the State.

Let the institutions and it will change over time obviously it's a generational issue three states approved.

Kate -- marriage and referenda in twenty and twelve it's changing but allow private institutions.

To evolve in their own way without the heavy hand of the state -- the.

Well.

President Obama moved on this issue.

And and -- was calculated.

Politically but as you have to catch up with the rest of the country in the last ten years -- -- when the biggest changes that we've witnessed one of the swiftest.

Changes that we've seen -- in our society.

Politicians are having trouble catching up with fat but they read the polls and you know what's going on.

That said the Boy Scouts are not.

Endeavoring.

To change their longstanding tradition so much.

Should be -- because they want to welcome.

-- homosexuals and to be inclusive as they do not feel they can survive.

As an exclusive organization anymore they've lost members in protest they're not getting enough new members.

And their losing financial support and they believe.

That this is something that they have to do for their survival so.

Surely to the question of how.

You in a great.

The Boy Scouts that's an extremely complicated matter -- they're two of the largest contributors are the Mormon church and the Catholic Church so I mean you have.

Manpower and financial.

Money coming from.

Places that don't really support.

Homosexuality there I think they're doing this for a reason debt and their members say it's because there are losing their ability to take carry on they are losing financial support.

And big donors have asked them to do this okay well I don't.

I mean is the button was actually trouble -- are enough gay scout masters -- May -- that Americans aren't into uniforms in the way they used to -- I object I think it's fast and the amount of attention paid to this other issues like -- and I think it's another example of the sort of soft cultural collusion between.

Democratic politicians and the media both of whom see this as the next civil rights movement an issue of great historical importance.

They give it I would argue -- offer gay rights for the give it undue attention and we got an economy that is like collapsed in transition toward who knows what a dollar that's.

Devalued -- debt that's reaching like an existential crisis.

Latin America's becoming Cuba the Middle East is collapsing about a -- become a cultural issues more than 40% of American kids are born out of wedlock -- straight couples.

Tuchman is always just not what I mean I don't know what I'm really -- and look at the New York Times it -- nineteen stories and gay marriage get some perspective excellence.

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