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Is the Senate immigration proposal amnesty?

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We have to deal with the eleven million individuals were here illegal.

-- we all agree that these men and women should have to earn their way to citizenship.

But for comprehensive immigration reform -- work.

It must be clear from the outset that there is a pathway to citizenship.

Does present Obama lay it out one of his sticking points when it comes to immigration reform and the nearly eleven million undocumented people living in this country.

This is coming a day after a bipartisan group a senators unveiled their own proposal.

Now that prompted one GOP lawmaker and that's Texas congressman Lamar Smith to say quote.

When you legalize those who are in the country illegally it cost taxpayers millions of dollars cost American workers thousands of jobs.

And encourages more illegal immigration.

I granting amnesty the senate proposal actually compounds the problem by encouraging more.

Illegal immigration.

So is he right joining me now to debate the issue for the American Center for Law and Justice.

Good to -- -- -- on -- to Hannity how are you.

-- good thank you -- -- is is this amnesty.

Or do you agree with that would you like the rubio plan.

I actually I'd like to rubio plan -- but the president is calling for amnesty I think what does senator rubio.

Has proposed a similar to what President Bush put forward in 2007.

When then senator Barack Obama voted against it.

And -- and voted against it because of the labor unions.

So labor unions -- -- like the legislation.

So I think we've got to have a reality check here you said it correct.

Proceeded negotiate negotiate with caution.

But there's another phrase I think we've got to be careful about Sean and that's his whole pathway to citizenship -- if we don't have pathways to citizenship.

In the United States and our immigration laws we do.

We have a pathway to citizenship now it's -- problem is the entire system is broken my grandfather came.

And got citizenship through the pathway that pathway which to Ellis Island.

Don't fourteen years to come and that's -- citizen.

Of the United States but I think that what senator rubio put on the table with the other senators is a great start.

I think what we have to do is proceed cautiously but president Obama's plan is not senator rubio plan but I I really -- -- aren't and -- rubio.

Francisco's been very very clear about this he says look we don't control the border we're going to be back here 510 years he said that is a deal breaker for him.

Right now President Obama doesn't enforce the laws now that forced Arizona to have to basically come up with -- -- law which mirrored the federal law.

So are you what senator rubio if they don't control of border first and we don't really solve the problem completely.

Is that a deal killer -- For me -- -- Well listen -- -- a deal killer or not it doesn't matter we have to deal that is upbeat about the eleven million people that are here are mr.

Hannity you have me on your show first the -- six and a half years ago and we seem to be a polar opposites.

But now we realize that we really have many common ground we've been trying to enforce the border -- And the fact of the matter is they're -- -- those lost in a two horse I ask you very specific question you and your -- my question how I really want -- -- and you might limit if we don't secure the border and by the way have been consistent on this all the years I've been on television radio.

It will secure the border first we're going to be back here debating the same issues.

Do you think what excuse me do you stand -- and say.

That is a necessity we've got to do that first before we deal with the eleven million people is that fair.

I think that is fair I think you're going to have to -- to that address the concerns about the border safety.

In order for the Republican Party to pass this bill I agree with you on that -- I think that I was -- progress -- welcome aboard.

But mr.

-- and I've never disagreed on that.

Well you seemed a little wishy -- coming up with that answer -- What about the what about them.

The procedure -- well look let's talk about.

-- water border security because I think it needs to be viewed as a precondition in other words not simultaneous.

Granting of what ever work permits to work status and I think Karl was.

Rove who's just on not right before was right on that you've got to be very clear what were actually authorizing.

But you -- the border security remember was the Obama administration.

That -- Arizona because they were trying to enforce border security it's ice agents that ensued ice because they can't do their job.

So if we get the precondition and that's what I think needs to be.

A border security that is the precondition to working through -- the status of the illegal immigrants that are here but that solves -- problem I think that's apparent compromise and a good way to proceed but I think we have that sounds like we have some agreement here.

That we think that border security asked -- that precondition.

I agree but don't you think they're finding -- these eleven million people are is the first step -- border security.

That will -- separate the people who want to build this country from the people that want to harm this country.

That we have to get them come at a Japanese least.

Give us their fingerprints that we know who they are so that is the first step that we have to do something that everybody agrees that we have to do something about it that's what.

What the whole debate is banned for eight to ten years.

Well for Francisco looked at the first immigration proposals on real immigration reform came through President Bush was defeated by.

Again -- -- like senator then senator Barack Obama we need to be really clear evidence that something new that's come out of nowhere so that's number one number two.

Sean I don't think that the -- Francisco's -- it works I think you have to.

Guarantee border security.

And then you could have that's been -- place the status -- what will happen to the people that are here but the question is -- -- be do we have real border security for the precise reason.

That you said it's not the person that's working.

In the -- or working used is -- was saying.

At the hotels it is that terrorist if we don't get these border secure what prevents terrorist act we know they are and -- Latin America South America we know the terrorists are operating down there are borders -- secure the borders and that worked out B eleven million better here I think that's how you don't ask -- -- -- -- thank you Estandia I think we can put that cynicism aside and be happy.

That it appears that both sides have something to.

Work together I have some common ground in order Francisco's -- and an exhilaration written and I'll be honest I don't trust the president I don't trust Chuck Schumer I don't trust the trust Dick Durbin.

And you don't trust and lest we verify -- measure.

That the borders and proceed cautiously -- -- a lot of security cautious I don't want terrorists have the ability to cross in our country it's a national security on that we all -- you have to secure the -- that.

It's that simple.

I've I -- Elissa Elissa down and work on what we have in common rather than what we have against each other -- -- it is let's do that first and we can proceed.

And we can discuss all the things you want to discuss right guys thank.

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