Power Play 2/4/2013
Chris Stirewalt and guests discuss a possible immigration deal, global warming and gun control.
- Duration 25:15
- Date Feb 4, 2013
Chris Stirewalt and guests discuss a possible immigration deal, global warming and gun control.
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And that is what it looks like along the United States Mexico border.
Which is long difficult to enforce and -- the root of the discussion and the problems.
As Washington tries to work out.
The question what to do about ten or twelve million illegal immigrants currently residing.
In these United States and this is power play and I and Chris Farrell an Internet we'll talk about that.
We'll talk about gun control.
We'll talk about we'll probably talk about.
The Boy -- a little bit we will definitely have some extra special power points with the visual aids for you today.
And we'll have lots and lots and lots on this Super Bowl Monday.
For those of you who took a sick day.
-- -- at home today I hope I hope you're enjoying it recuperating.
With your bloody marys.
But we will do all those things that we will -- entertain him.
And I made him a better way to start delighting in it and you -- say that Michael Brown that's here.
Because Michael is in fact.
The senior political analyst for the Washington examiner my favorite Washington newspaper.
A key is also a resident fellow at the American enterprise institute and he is the principal architect I've known when to settle on the term architect because it's more than anything.
The principal architect of the almanac of American politics the Bible of all of the political junkies.
Michael welcome back it's nice to be with -- -- OK so.
You have taken rather interesting tack on what Republicans -- to need to might do.
As it relates to illegal immigration in this deal.
And a lot of it has been predicated on two things one.
The fact that the wave of immigration seems to have subsided for whatever reason down economy work.
Local enforcement efforts and those things.
How important is it.
In terms you know for the Republicans it is a matter.
Great urgency it up to your friend in my trust that -- saying no amnesty until there's a border fence.
Across every inch of the US Mexico well.
I don't think there has to be a border fence across every inch of the Mexico US border and actually one of the people who would.
Echo that view is Texas governor Rick -- the majority of the miles of the border along -- river the Rio Grande prepared points out that on the US side it is privately networks that.
Border in the Arizona and New Mexico and California statements is mostly publicly and desert -- happened.
There's agriculture and things in parts of the border on taxes.
And it's you know I think one of the things is to remember that.
This is one of the searches.
Of migration we've seen throughout our history got a book forthcoming on this subject and you -- -- of 2013.
It from 1982 to 2007.
We had this huge -- -- of people particularly from Mexico.
-- that's now -- for.
It might resume it -- I'm thinking it probably won't Mexico's economy is growing faster than ours the birth rate is -- weighed down the number.
People entering workforce years.
Is much less than it was.
A lot of immigrants from Mexico these are the people that were caught up in the foreclosure crisis you look at what foreclosures.
Yes that's true.
You know you're looking out in the desert out San Bernardino County you're looking -- -- out -- -- -- -- looking at the ragged edges of Phoenix and so forth and these were people who had dreams of achievements of the in the United States those dreams were shattered.
The number of whom we've actually had self deportation.
Let -- one million.
If one million illegal immigrants it may have reached out.
So in order task is there is blessed people fewer people that are gonna want to cross that border illegally and we networked technology.
In public attitudes that I think -- for.
So when you talk about this wave -- -- great and we have seen in the past.
Other big waves of immigration.
You have the Scots Irish you have to bolster men that come.
Before the establishment of the country and immediately thereafter basically into the early part of the nineteenth century.
Can get Germans.
Then you've got to get -- should leadership -- you've got the also islanders that is -- of the junior people in the multi ethnic empires of central and Eastern Europe is yes exactly and so forth and you've got internal migration across the country that you've got those lately with the Yankees to the -- -- there's this way this function differently the wave of Mexican and Central American Hispanic immigrants the United States -- -- church function differently can't we say.
As it relates through cooperation and blending into the melting pot this quotes.
I think the jury's still out on that I think the degree of assimilation of the Mexican American population has been disappointing -- thought it would be somewhat greater -- portable from this was published twelve years ago.
The new Americans.
Depression vote but I think it's I think I think you know there's a considerable amount of of -- civilization.
But we do have these very large areas you -- go to Los Angeles county -- 60% of the people are classified as Hispanic consensus.
And you've got large areas that are very.
Modeling what -- an English.
Two considerable extent today.
I think you know that this thing to realize is that this is probably not -- recurring problem would probably not going to see.
Because Mexico's economy -- faster than -- Well it's a majority middle class country now people live they have air conditioning where the climate this issue before they do they drive currently shop at Wal-Mart.
That doesn't affect -- be okay.
That it's it's you know they've been growing -- -- economy of 5% we've been hobbling along one point eight.
Well we're not that we've included every immigrant knowledge is not -- -- -- the wouldn't do you suppose that things are a little bit more tenuous for Mexico that may be growing faster than ours.
But in longevity is this is to say well you've traveled there you've spent time there and you -- -- states of Mexico you know it's politics is this really stable enough country.
Or do we I would still like we're running the danger that we're just going to see a meltdown down there and then we'll have another search.
I I think that's unlikely -- You know I think in fact one of the things we get the new president of Mexico and read the opinion it.
He's actually propose the kind of reforms that the conservative -- party presidents advocated couldn't get through because he's the pre party.
-- three party system preempt -- together.
Can put these things through so well.
I think this is it good prospects of that again Mexico's -- -- -- for foreign investment so the house Republicans are going to have a plan.
I mean I know -- -- them from having talked to some of them.
Eric Cantor the majority leader is going to give a speech tomorrow and talk about what they what their -- the president is laid out his ship.
He wants at all.
He wants it now.
The senate has a bipartisan.
Gang of eight which is looking for this now the house Republicans are gonna come out with their own thing.
What is the danger.
If house Republicans combatants say we want the -- we want we want it now we want enforcement before there's before there's any end.
I think you know that's an argument that.
You can do easily imagine President Obama coming practicing those dirty Republican stopped immigration reform there and he's got a history that.
-- the reason -- -- this -- Ron Brownstein.
-- National Journal ordinarily very astute guy.
Is the year when immigration reform could have passed wasn't past the -- house Republicans.
In fact 2007.
Busier with the stars were -- alignment it was mishandled by jury read in the senate and you wouldn't know liberal democratic senators voting for killer amendments including the junior senator from Illinois Barack Obama -- because they remember is that nobody remembers a little labor killer amendments not only by John McCain but by Ted Kennedy.
Yeah -- the labor unions the and the biggest difference that we -- and we've talked about this here before an immigration politically in Washington I know this is Maryland grubby but basically until the US chamber of commerce and the AFL CIO.
Could -- -- I -- a couple of things one is would there be what we call.
Which is your man -- -- -- computer terminal at your employers place that they're gonna check everybody's driver's license to make sure that there's this this was something we didn't.
-- the capacity -- who really pass that -- 96.
And the accuracy rate has gone up it's not a 100% but it's improved some big labor or big.
Business -- that big labor said it we accept the fact that there is going to be universe of what we call guest workers.
It conditional citizens here that are going to be competing with us for job so those two having made -- on that now.
We didn't have that announced that labor wasn't that area are.
It wasn't one of the killer amendments to Barack Obama voted for we believed it too.
-- get agricultural guest workers.
But that issue you know that's an issue that.
His -- either our bipartisan compromise is available that you know people have worked out so forth.
I think you know it's.
Is that this -- we have the capacity to do a lot of things that we didn't have after we passed the 86 law.
And obviously enforcement didn't work and lots of illegals came to this country we're growing economically.
Remember maturity of illegals are from Mexico.
Right we're talking about a problem that's primarily related to Mexico -- the countries that -- -- land border with us.
The end I think that's.
You know we now I think can go to.
I remember the debate in the 1980s.
And everybody the left it like a national identity at the right didn't like that nationally that people like the TV show the fugitives the that you could totally change idea I have gets a certain way they you know Huck -- -- out and -- We don't feel that way.
Your passport if you get a passport since 2007.
Has it biometric.
Thing that it is an economic that electronically.
-- your cell -- follows you were down.
-- didn't people can track where you are according to yourself -- And we lived with them.
We have to take a break but we have to tell the -- what it's saying first isn't anyone listening yes.
When we had Germans immigrate to the United States and we publish everything in English and -- the government didn't know.
The government and the schools -- their business in English but there was a large and this was true for Italian American immigrants were checks were slow box for.
All sorts of folks.
Newspapers local communities stage shows and all kinds of stuff these communities definitely retain those things the difference this time.
Is that in these states like California.
They do a lot a lot of government business.
In a bilingual fashion which is of course doesn't encourage anybody to do the job.
All the California voters in 1998 voted quite sensibly to limit.
Foreign language instruction in public schools to one year.
Unless there were special circumstances that was a big advance because the bilingual education programs they -- wouldn't either -- or education.
OK more good ones like that from brother Burrell when we come back.
-- -- -- That is -- McCarthy.
She's the assistant administrator or for the office of air and radiation at the Environmental Protection Agency and this is power -- And why should you care Internet why should you care who that person is.
-- you don't care about -- everyone is all of your fellow man and woman but white issue matter well reports say that she is the front runner.
Two replace Lisa Jackson at the -- as the head of the Environmental Protection Agency and she is.
Arguably -- miss McCarthy is arguably the number one global warming crusader.
Inside the Obama administration.
If he does that it's a clear message that he is -- serious about using the EPA its regulatory power.
To achieve what he couldn't do by legislation.
So how big a part of the president's second term agenda will global warming be the making a lot of noise John Kerry sounds like.
He's going to be serious about getting into another Kyoto.
Protocol kind of situation.
And all that other stuff Michael Barone.
Knows that he knows the politics of it.
The president seems like he's.
When we hear about people like ms.
McCarthy when we see who he had in mind for his chief of staff.
And other things we see a lot of urgency about global warming is it for real.
Our I think is it may have real policy consequences.
I mean even in his first term.
When he gets super maturing debt maturities for the Democratic Party in congress.
Barack Obama couldn't get a cap and trade bill through the idea got passed the house.
-- ended the careers of a lot of Democrats that voted for maybe just as much as the health care law.
But it never went forward in the center and it had the handicap of -- -- chiefly sponsored by senator Barbara Boxer.
It didn't seem to be able to summon up and it maturity.
Four in support.
But the administrative leave it to to do a lot of things and I think the real battle here and it's a continuing battle that's going on is between the Environmental Protection Agency in the United States court of appeals for the District of Columbia circuit.
And EDC Circuit Court here has.
Which has for the last thirty years been reluctant to interfere too much with regulatory agencies but which has jurisdiction and for.
Cases brought challenging.
Regulations issued by the agency's.
Has been clipping EPA's swings the job they recently -- I think -- decision where they basically says that.
You know EPA was regulating.
And that one of them there were regulating water.
Under the clean there are active -- that it.
The you know discharge of water the because it sort of could cost setup which they can regulated court said look you know.
Water is what you're supposed to be protecting.
Well what you're supposed to be prohibited right and that's not the law you don't have the authority -- do that so.
President Obama has the potential feel foresee seventy US Court of Appeals.
For the District Columbia circuit will be a fight.
It will be an interest in important fight but.
-- EPA you know kind of people who work for EPA tend to the I don't -- -- see results exactly but but people who believe strongly.
In environmental protection it -- didn't get to.
That tend to give the benefit of the doubt -- the two regulation that's why they've gone into the business that you've updated the dedicated people wouldn't it if you protect the environment is something that is an important thing.
So the agency has a professional biases that that direction.
And the people that that Barack Obama has put in there happening stronger one Lisa Jackson.
The previous -- EPA administrator was sending out emails and the name Richard Windsor.
-- -- get in trouble yes she well she's a you know her previous job is that she was a chief of staff to New Jersey governor Jon Corzine.
Well it is later lost his bid for reelection in 2000.
And nine tells us that extra money -- reality is where -- was a little short on one point 1000000400.
Million dollars they couldn't find -- you -- -- -- guys in this but you know going to the back of the safe looking under the -- -- and stuff to see if they could find any cash there.
They apparently the firm was apparently reading.
Customers' accounts and taking money that belong to the customers and using it to.
Plug leaks its -- -- but other fast best that's the real no no.
In that period that it is a great job.
-- The Brian.
Chris and Michael by extension bilingual in public arena other than emergencies there's no one any good on either side.
White Hispanic and not Vietnamese French.
Win in Rome you learn the -- ways if you don't like it go home -- and how.
Republicans want language.
As a precondition for citizenship well it has been and it should be.
I think one of the things -- service strategy is that we have these measures to print ballots in Spanish and and other languages people are supposed to know English if they've become US citizens so.
I'd you know I'd I'd.
Don't really care whether we call English the official language or not I would know Chris however that -- I've received.
Angry emails from people say you know press two for Spanish and so forth.
They get irritated by this.
Most of those occasions you run across our commercial firms -- -- -- doing that because they think it's good for their business that's because they're politically correct there's -- to their customers -- well I think -- that this you know that's something -- mentioned earlier German language press Joseph Pulitzer after whom the Pulitzer Prize is your name.
Got his start -- -- German language newspaper in Saint Louis.
He ended up.
He he he wrote a lot of stories that we're quite old and Michael that he bought the papers sold about -- that killing that was his after the -- words.
Michael Barone thank you very much for your contributions to Internet excellence today Lucy's.
Today we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back.
-- -- -- -- for panel will be here we'll have some visually aided our points you're going to have done so stick around.
The president's kids are safe and we're all thankful for the point of that -- don't ever face a threat that most children do not affected -- tell us the people in Newtown.
Tell that the people really think that the president's children are are are are the same kind of target as every school child in America I think -- gets ridiculous and you know -- And that is what we call the full Wallace Chris Wallace.
Telling wind up here the CEO of the National Rifle Association.
That's ridiculous and you know it's -- when he said that daughters.
The first family face the same kinds of threats at school of shooting.
As every kid does in this power -- and welcome back so.
Studies tell us that parents most parents would be okay with the idea of having.
I've trained armed guards and their schools they like that idea because it makes them feel safer because we do have this.
Epidemic of crazed gunman.
So there is that.
But at the same time is it.
Workable is it a good solution how does this go.
People who know about this for good cause I know Garland Nixon knows about that he is a radio talk show host and -- -- -- He root for the blue team.
And you were former -- or at least seven years seven years OK -- want to -- he knows what he's talking about.
And please meet Ron Meyer -- Press Secretary for American majority action.
Which is they're very conservative I know that.
And I also know that you guys didn't like John Boehner earlier that conservative -- those guys yes definitely we definitely -- and change the movement we stipulate your moved and changed desires but as it relates to guns in schools start with you Ron.
When -- see a lot of heat over this if you think he is he on the right records in the wrong once.
So much is the best spokesman -- -- I personally think that people like my girlfriend actually on an F fifteen for self defense are the best.
Those persons -- actually defended the right to own an -- -- right down assault weapons to write it.
To carry weapons and not sure that that -- is the best that either I think -- actually run out people who are vulnerable and say hey I want these weapons for self defense not saying.
I mean it's true though they make a point -- offense for me not for the with the whole government army DHS you know after day about 7000 -- -- which means automatic.
And semiautomatic weapons that they can use and they call -- personal defense weapons yet when you or I buy them that somehow assault weapons it's a misnomer called assault weapons -- three million people.
On them for uses other than salt.
Garland the haves and have nots when you hear from the NRA and -- as its ads and have not government -- they say get to have guns and why shouldn't everybody.
I think indeed.
We'll think about or talk about we're talking about trained federal law enforcement officers I don't think he was arguing that trained federal law enforcement officers shouldn't have -- -- that's particularly what they're made for I think the argument is that the average person on the street shouldn't be walking around the average person doesn't have a -- and I think that.
Eight Wayne Lapierre is the wrong guy for the and his arguments don't make a lot of sense to it's been on the glass so he's bed got bad argument that I mean -- really.
-- if the identity that -- the gun lobby.
Is really hurt itself would run.
There is a broad understanding that it's going to be very hard to get any kind of possibly when -- called salt weapon military style what whatever you wanna say any kind of a gun and through this car.
That's right yeah absolutely nothing is gonna happen I don't think the senate passed -- much less outstrips there's no way.
Especially when a -- -- limits we're talking about -- -- I don't think so frankly what I keep wondering is why we are -- an economy youth unemployment went up 2% last quarter we have deficits that are are through many Republicans supposedly changed the debate by -- this debt ceiling -- -- -- is so we talking about spending.
We still need to be talking about the sense that we're getting -- and were actually the Democrats a great job getting stuck in a subject that frankly we shouldn't be talking about right now.
Both shouldn't we be isn't this the time talking literally here for the left that this is the time to do it -- people are thinking about these issues -- I think the president should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time if he shouldn't be limited to one single hole so certainly an and the fact of the matter is the new -- shooting didn't bring that issue into the conscience and I thinking of the American interlocutors you don't -- is not it.
It wears his budget -- Is different is your first you rightly so we don't roll like this up -- it's cool but we thank you have been with us today it's great Johnny saved by the way your -- degrees with a gun control is not important let's focus on tax reform and spending cuts say -- -- -- -- Okay.
On the -- is up next the Gregg Jarrett and today so you can enjoy that that will be fun you'll like that.
I know that you will.
Notoriously because it's a Monday but how about some power -- first time ever with a visual aid.
And today's power points are skaters.
And -- -- -- -- it's no wonder they waited.
And we do not take issue.
With the shooting skills of any human beings but it's you see here the picture of the president of shooting skeet.
It is not due back in August that's -- approach and style demonstrates why perhaps the picture kept secrets -- that would be really good way to break your cheekbone and not break too many clay pigeons.
But here's that apparently this kind of thing is out of character for President Obama this is not usually what he does he does not usually do what a lot of Democrats and -- -- I like.
Sports -- I'm John Kerry I'm going to ghost shooter and goose and that the Google or at least I'll be present when the goose is slain or whatever else he has understood the debate over guns better than most politicians and has not done much pandering to -- -- and people like that.
He's been better than that he's had a more elevated dialogue and that on this subject.
Which brings us to the third point which is NASCAR jacket -- Mitt Romney's NASCAR jacket that he wore.
And -- in on.
After he had the famous -- where he said he had many friends who were NASCAR team owners in any -- that aspect and sort of like -- active contrition.
Well guess what giving it a bit like NASCAR like Mitt Romney any better because he was wearing that jacket now in fact -- probably resented the little bit because he thought that they were pandering -- so.
President Obama has avoided doing this kind of thing at least as relates to guns before if this is the beginning of a trend and I think he's about to build up.
A bunch of good will with American sportsmen especially given his stance so -- your PowerPoint something to think about.
And we'll see you back here tomorrow.