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Does new immigration reform stand a chance?

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    Karl Rove, Joe Trippi weigh in

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A politically polarized Washington is actually making noise about a bipartisan effort to fix the nation's immigration system.

We're going to talk about that tonight with political analyst Karl Rove and Joseph Trippi.

Generally immigration ended up on the scrappy back in 2007.

What makes this time around any different -- -- suffer the same fate or could this actually get done -- Look I think -- if you get done this time -- a lot of pitfalls but they're a bunch of differences too I mean first of all Democrats really believe that the nation's ready for this mean polls are showing 77% of Americans.

Want some kind of immigration reform big immigration reform package.

Out there the other thing it's different is we have someone like Marco Rubio who.

Has the ability hopefully to pull both traditional establishment Republicans as well as.

Tea Party Republicans together on this issue I think that Carl -- rubio had the power to unite the Republican Party.

Mean you've got to a part of this pretty fractured at the moment and you put an issue like immigration.

Involves potential pitfalls before the party -- May be tough to pull them together.

Yeah it does it it will be good look at -- somebody you can do it is Marco Rubio leases.

The best communicators since Ronald Reagan.

He feels -- to me about this issue I've been surprised by the respectful hearing he's had among many voices -- In 2007 were strongly opposed to conference and immigration reform.

I think it's a sign of the persuasion.

That he brings to this cause and also I think.

There's a growing issue -- recognition by Republicans -- want to get this issue behind him.

So they can begin to make inroads among Latinos on the issues of jobs.

Opportunity values this is after all -- culturally conservative and entrepreneur early minded part of our electorate.

Henry and Republicans are -- -- we can solve this issue -- -- -- in conformity with our principles.

We can begin to make some gains with Latino -- when we look at the proposal from the gang of eight and we look at the president's proposal on the surface they seem pretty.

Similar but there are some deep differences when you get into the details -- Carl what do you think in those details could -- this process -- Well a lot could because this is a very complex issue having been involved in the previous effort a comprehensive immigration reform -- so many.

Things that impact other things it's very complicated but if you look at it they're sort of four big areas of potential disagreement here.

The gang of eight -- said we Democrats Republicans believe there ought to be.

Operational control the border border security first before these other provisions kick in and there ought to be verifiable metrics.

About what constitutes operational control board the president did not have a similar emphasis the question is are we have border security first.

Second the gang of a Democrat and Republican said were in favor of robust guest worker program.

President Obama's remarks in Las Vegas -- last week did not mention the guest worker program at all -- -- in 2007 he voted for.

The union and backed amendments to get to guest worker program -- ultimately helped contribute to the feet of conference of immigration reform.

The third issue in this is a big one is the speed of difficulty of a path to a green card.

And eventually citizenship for -- of the undocumented aliens who want to go down that path.

-- -- -- interestingly enough Democrat and Republican said we want slower.

They're more difficult to president's body language not a specific proposals he hasn't offered one whose body language sounds like faster and easier.

So here's the one that's not being paid much attention to right now but.

There's an -- -- -- battle between if you will roughly business community especially high tech.

And other groups particularly the Catholic Church over how much of immigration should be based upon skill and Mara.

With the business community say look if you get -- graduate from American University with a science or technology or engineering or math degree.

We got us we got a fast track you for a green card and an and other groups who favor family reunification.

And today.

Over 80% of the people who get a green card are given a green card on the basis of family reunification and just over 10%.

Get a green card based on skill -- marriage.

Oh what do you think the concerns that -- raised in -- another one as well that the president also wants immigration reform to apply to lesbian gay bisexual and transgendered individuals.

Well first I agree with the -- with the four other Karl outlined but didn't John you're absolutely right the president.

Once protections for gay lesbian LG BT.

Couples.

And that that right there could theory although the the it did the whole thing for many Republicans so that the equipment that's the that's a fifth one.

But the here's the thing I think that he is working for it.

Both parties I think we have reason I need it to look at back at the failures the guest worker program that derailed it.

People like Tom Harkin.

-- will be retiring senator who voted against it last time we -- Obama.

Because guest worker.

But the whole thing went out -- windows each side's gonna have to try to figure out how to compromise I think the it's the failures of the past that may push this forward.

So it to a win this time anything get some reform done.

How do you think that this is going to play into 2016 certainly Marco Rubio somebody who is -- -- talked about as potentially being the candidate for president on the Republican side.

He has publicly said he believes the future of the Republican Party -- and immigration reform -- when you look at the changing demographics here.

Do Republicans have any other choice.

But to go for some sort of immigration reform if they want to have any kind of hope in 2016 -- -- 12014.

Republicans are going to be best golf voting for the right bill if you take for example attitudes and Latino community -- border security this idea of border security first.

Has a great deal of residents in the Latino community particularly here in the state of Texas.

We're -- Latino communities along the border know how important it is to get the border secured.

So the right kind of bill is gonna benefit both parties present Obama will get the achievement that he failed to deliver on in his first term.

Republicans will be able to put this issue behind him but a bad bill will hurt the country he will it divide the country.

And it will not get the job done.

They give Joseph 1210%.

Of voters of the twenty -- election in November where Hispanic the Republican Party desperately wants to make inroads among Hispanics.

President Bush did pretty well with Hispanic voters President Obama won them overwhelmingly.

In November if Democrats can own the immigration reform issue.

Does that bode well with Hispanic voters for the next decade.

I think it's it I think rubio -- right what was right when he said the immigration reform and where the Republicans come down on it how -- played this it you know could be the entire future of the party right now.

-- -- to Obama can.

Can basically push hard Democrats can push hard for what what we want that's what many on the left want want them to do.

And and I think the Republicans give give.

Obama cover.

Anything he fails to get this because of the Republicans.

Who -- in transient on the right they're not all.

But that but that.

There are so many Republicans who don't want.

Can he pull the party together and and I think if he can't we're gonna get there.

-- but it's always great to get your perspective on these pressing issues Joseph Trippi Karl -- thanks so much for being with us today.

Thanks for having this could be would you.

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