Power Play 2/5/2013
Chris Stirewalt discusses immigration and budget deals with Susan Ferrechio, Debbie Dingell, Mark Kennedy and Peter Barnes
- Duration 25:44
- Date Feb 5, 2013
Chris Stirewalt discusses immigration and budget deals with Susan Ferrechio, Debbie Dingell, Mark Kennedy and Peter Barnes
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-- -- And that's what it looked like when Barack Obama was the junior senator from the great state of Illinois.
And this is power play -- Internet you wonder why why we're we're just looking it Barack Obama as senator.
I mean he was only there from -- minute so what.
Do we show him because he went right to become president.
Here's why in 2007.
The and the government was on the costs of a big deal.
On illegal immigration.
-- do you know who was key to exploding that deal yes Barack Obama junior senator from Illinois.
Acting at the test of labor.
Helped blow up the deal with an amendment.
Because big labor was at all on board with the idea of having.
Guest workers inside the United States competing with American workers for jobs so that's the deal.
And I think that this power play -- -- I -- I did because that's true.
Those things are true.
So today the president is meeting with big labor and big business to try to push forward -- deal.
Now that he has the chief executive.
He's trying to bring them together to do a deal we'll talk about that we'll talk about what happens when lawmakers don't follow the laws that they make.
And with the president doesn't follow though the rules as it relates to budgets of apartment complexes there and is this -- commitment that is.
There will be news some terrible news about the size of the debt and all of those things that will do that and we'll talk.
With -- -- later on about what the immigration what stance -- immigration is what Republicans in the -- etc.
that -- But I will not etc.
this you cannot blah blah this season friendship is the chief congressional correspondent for the Washington examiner the mighty acts.
And she is a friend of -- -- welcome back screen TV there so we'll see it now.
Here's the questions it.
We have a lot of moving parts and immigrant.
The president is meeting as it goes through with big labor and big business.
-- to try to make it happen.
The other thing that's gonna -- Happened today we heard from GOP leadership this morning about what they -- to do from the house on immigration and Eric Cantor is gonna -- a big speech today.
To lay out some of his governing principles he's the majority leader of the house -- -- his governing principles as it relates to immigration.
Give us the state of.
Well I still think that immigration ultimately is going to be only partial victory for all the parties involved I don't think you call -- -- little.
I I yes I think that something is gonna move here because Republicans feel committed to try to not look -- so there turning their backs on Hispanic community let's face it micro reviews -- paved the way forward.
By getting out front on this and -- getting out of the kind of winning all over.
On the enthusiasm of people like Rush Limbaugh on -- -- and these guys are important to -- people tune into -- -- you think you can win over them and you're gonna get some.
So I think that he -- shares today even hear Republicans talk.
About moving forward on immigration.
And and I think they're going to embrace the idea.
Who letting folks come into the country and have for a legal status I don't think we're gonna you know probably Republicans as amnesty is not going to -- over for them you know in terms -- pathway to citizenship.
There's a big difference between -- some -- Marco Rubio wants to do and what President Obama want to do with amnesty because Obama wants to just kind of really make that -- easy he says it's tough but it's really not.
It's going to be a cleaner easier pass faster path without sort of these conditions of border security that three.
Call now what a way to make it sound bit that will -- the whole thing and it's not just border security we've talked about this a lot here the big thing for Republicans as.
Wind is the amnesty occur in this -- -- -- different.
It's right -- now of President Obama site.
If you heard the way he speaks about I listen carefully.
It's really not it's like we okay border security yes yes -- have -- -- but that's not conditions for.
The pathways to green car salesman -- racists Republicans like whoa whoa hang on here if there's going to be any kind of -- Discussion of green card in the past there has to be real efforts on border security.
The problem for Republicans.
Is that statistics -- on their site at this moment.
Because immigration has to clients.
Illegal immigration on the border has declined so significantly.
At this point that they -- that border security even.
John McCain has talked to a border security as being far vastly improved over what it was a few years ago when this debate as you remember it was a lot different back in 2007.
So when Barack Obama helped destroy not out of -- out.
Well you'll see Democrats take advantage of that statistic.
They will use that to help -- their momentum to push this along.
And put border security in the background and you watch that is going to happen because the Democrats there -- golden on many issues immigration will be one of them they will push assisting.
As far as fast as they can young women like game 123 red -- and -- elections green all the kids run as -- they can't.
Republican Democrats feeling on the green -- right now pay on a lot of issues immigration is going to be one of the big things they feel they can really take off on because even on it that -- Republican House.
They -- -- and there's sort of a handicap Republican House and they can push -- lot further and you wouldn't ordinarily expect so.
Need to listen carefully when Eric Tanner says today when he dresses.
The ATI on this issue and you and actually seems rubio playing a major role here sort of provide cover for Republicans who want to move for who -- -- to this pathway to citizenship.
And I think border security.
We'll get some acknowledgment but it -- shorter shrift that it would have got a few years.
Yes this we as this evolves more people who come here.
So you think it will pass he thinks something will -- thing is going to move win.
Antonin you hearing people like Chuck Schumer and others talk about the same getting done -- -- the first half of this.
Or later maybe later this -- first half of congress of the year.
It just depends you know right -- immigration hearing happening already you know -- -- -- that this morning you hear people saying well wait a minute here.
We're not just -- -- to a pathway to citizenship amnesty is not gonna go anywhere of course security is not what you should be so already you're hearing a lot of people talk about that.
But in any kind of -- the problem here and the reason I think that this could move is probably the reason you're thinking as well as -- Republicans feel like.
They lost only -- 27%.
Hispanics in the last election.
That this could be their only chance it's kind of sink or swim at this point they need to pick up Hispanic votes because.
Republicans Democrats are running away with it at this point they need to do something now people argue hey -- -- putting more people on the roles are gonna vote for Democrats.
Now there's that argument but I think to Republicans -- they stuck between a rock and a hard place on immigration in arguably they are.
Is that they have decided -- -- go for -- and the -- -- and in acting lately and my sense is that they're going to move.
In terms of looking like they wanna do something you know -- -- -- instructions on this is that for sure is going to eat -- -- more suspend exports.
OK and when we see races though like when it's cooking up in Georgia we get to -- members of the house.
Paul brown and Tom price these issues these votes become very consequent because.
Because immigration as a -- many times -- regional issue.
-- and it's become a big political overarching issue but ultimately it's a regional issue.
It's vastly different from voters in Arizona and it will be for people in Georgia and South Carolina I'll -- you know -- Steve King.
You think these things are going to play into politics.
For sure but I think the big overarching field wouldn't -- a party is that.
We've got to get on -- immigration reform train rather -- get run over bias which is kind of where they are right now and I I think that.
The big message -- looming for land is what's gonna happen the next election beginning at 10% Hispanic vote.
-- how we get pieces as far our own benefit.
And that's certainly Omar Peruvians plus he is now there was a hole it just came out here today that on and it was actually yesterday.
And index showed our rubio getting some support over his immigration stance I think that these things -- gonna play out in the coming weeks.
You're gonna see more Republicans willing to go along with past witnesses that sounds kind -- around we'll see you -- I do think that you've seen.
Susan -- the Internet thank you for your service your -- patriotic service thank you ma'am.
-- -- -- OK now here's a big Vinny says big but he says the only halfway folks in Washington care about.
Is the path folks take -- the voting Booth and as we have learned from the past you can't fix anything that way.
Well yes but it's now I mean yes.
Big -- we acknowledge the truth of what you say.
But at the same time four Republicans.
This is a matter of political survival if they don't get out from under this -- President Obama it will be like.
It will be like the Salem witch trials and just keep putting stones on top of the Republicans with Hispanic voters so they squish them.
Into nonexistent so that's that's the truth okay.
When we come back we're gonna talk about what happens when the government doesn't follow its own laws its own rules like it passes rule for example this -- president had to turn in the budget yesterday.
And he said.
-- and don't worry about it I'm not gonna do it automatically gonna tell you went I'm just not doing so what happens when that happens the -- I can't.
It starts with a T trillions.
In debt so we'll talk about that when we come back so -- around.
All we should do was replace the president sequester what responsible reforms.
-- help balance the budget in ten years.
Our -- to grow the economy.
Expand opportunity and prosperity.
And I assure America maintains -- leading role in the world with a strong national defense.
And to do that.
But we need a budget responsibly.
We need a budget that reflects those priority.
And that if you know well Internet was John Boehner he's -- speaker of the House of Representatives.
In -- game against president Obama's failure yesterday to submit a budget as the law requires him to do.
In this is powered -- welcome back now look here's the deal today this afternoon the Congressional Budget Office.
Wolf follow the law that says that they have to do a ten year estimation.
Of what the federal fiscal balance sheet is going to look like they're going to do it today.
And the news will be here.
We noted that we don't know exactly terrible in what way.
But it will be disheartening to liberals conservatives Republicans Democrats it will be a lot of bad news.
And in part it's because our congress has lost the ability.
To budget it doesn't budget anymore the president doesn't send budgets this and it doesn't pass budget.
The house passes a budget blueprint that they know is never going to be enacted so they put all sorts of silly manipulates stuff in there so.
What is the consequence of this and is it possible to get Washington back to doing -- I don't know its job.
People who know the answer to those questions certainly include everyday we'll choose the president of and so congratulations you're -- for having that we can and we should point out.
But her husband is back the dean of the house Democrats aren't -- from the great state of Michigan.
And welcome for the first time Mark Kennedy.
He is now -- George Washington university graduate school.
Of political management but before that he was one of those people he was one of those house members -- Republican member from the great state of Minnesota welcome welcome.
Good to be okay now.
Did -- let's start with you.
We cannot blame Americans report Washington such low esteem can't -- Win big even the basic even the most basic things even the things that are supposed to be first order of business.
Appropriating money making budget stuff like that can even happen right.
Look at a lot of conversation about how people hold Washington steam and -- I think everybody needs to really think about what they want in their elected officials and how they serve them look at that and a different -- I -- Just like -- system is broken.
And we need to get back to more formal system that -- we that we now can I just by continuing appropriations.
We hope people hostage we've got to balance the budget.
Are we doing it in his quest officially -- straight across the board is not the answer -- dis functional in both sides have got to get it figured out come together right.
And so good today.
Congressman the CBO will have bad news for us we will hear about some.
Best case scenario it's going to be that we have the national debt that's twenty trillion dollars by the time we get to 2016.
When you work in congress it didn't happen like this -- budgets occurred things like that happened.
Most of the years we did.
Campbell the house and the senate passing a budget in coming to regular order and never has there been a time.
When America needs to budget process to work more than today.
But I would also point out that the reason we're talking about budgets right now instead of the debt ceiling and is because the host chose to basically pushed that discussion off for several months.
So that we could talk about budgets and I think that in and of itself was a masterful move to focused -- attention on.
Let's get a budget passed.
So there -- idea.
There are very few ideas.
The this is the very few ideas that are as popular with mainstream Americans as a balanced budget balanced budget amendment any time we pull it anytime anybody puts it out there.
People are crazy for and -- a matter of fact in the ninety's it was a big deal for Democrats they liked it Clinton -- Democrats were like all into this I don't think.
The budget circuit that deficit that we had we actually when Bill Clinton finished his presidency we -- -- yeah.
And house Republicans and build a democratic president.
Where blogger hasn't fought and fought -- fought but in the end.
It was painful embarrassing and knowing there was an impeachment in there I don't know if you remember that but.
In the end they were able to function Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton.
Were able to function somehow how do we get that back.
I think the best at talking to each other you know that I am one of those people that thinks that people have to nothing it's okay that's happening in Washington and that you do it by building relationships and sitting down.
Now everybody says they went beyond its budget but they don't want that they care about to be cut.
Well everybody's gonna have to get use and that what where we are right now in America.
Everybody -- not happen -- thing is that we've got to have some very tough discussions Bill Clinton did that he had some.
Conversations it and number of areas that made people uncomfortable.
But they all came they all gave -- you reached a compromise they got the budget balance and you eliminate a deficit.
We're not doing -- now if we continue on -- -- it is going to be a nightmare for everybody.
To not do so is to throw your hands in submission to fiscal anarchy.
-- -- mr.
-- here's the thing.
This is a unenforceable and some of the -- retirement this is where this is an unenforceable law yes the law says that the president has until the first Monday February to produce a budget but there's no consequence -- the 1974 congressional budget act.
These are what they're supposed to do and there is no consequence building and we're doing otherwise there's no penalty in these these are not like criminal statutes -- -- say what they're supposed to do if the president doesn't want to do it yes I suppose you could impeach him.
But that would probably not get us a budget much sooner.
And with -- would probably result in Republicans being written out of town on a rail I would imagine.
That don't buy that budget process has become such a job that the president but -- -- in Iraq today Iraq but he's supposed to do I agree -- -- I think Kirk I'm not just I'm -- -- probably think it killed her.
We need to.
The -- practices rockets out if it's broken how you can't at this dance bureaucracy.
It keeps you from fixing things and that's what I think we've got to get it.
I congressman last thing on this subject I wrote today and my -- Which you can have just -- following me on Twitter at -- -- or please do so you really should.
Because I put out there for you every day.
And and I like this -- -- think it's important are really want to read this what I'd say this talking I was and who we -- talking earlier about.
The scheme that Americans hold Washington.
If that is the candidates of these institutions.
Don't follow the rules that they set out for themselves.
They lose these -- and eventually the consent of the governed eventually people say they throw their hands up and say if these guys won't even play by the rules they set for themselves.
Why should I listen to them or or listen what they do.
It's very true and you know -- Certainly we're gonna do -- panel discussion tomorrow and trust in government.
In the recent survey that we're looking at this is the reason people are frustrated with kindness is good it is an ideology it's because -- -- getting things done.
People understand you need to get a budget passed they want regular order that suggest they -- -- for.
And congress to do a lot of good for themselves and for the country in restoring trust in helping the country they just.
Followed regular order got a budget passed that is I think something they could unify.
The country in the congress.
Back in the day when people like John dingle used to be able to make things happen in congress that's when stuff used to actually occur but anyway.
I digress and I will -- no further because we have to take a quick break.
Because when we come back we're gonna talk about.
How it came to pass that big business and big labor would both get together to support.
What it's -- -- comprehensive immigration reform.
How did we get there and what does it portend.
We're getting a deal done we'll have Smart answers from -- -- on that when we come back so stick around.
It's the White House the executive mansion of these United States and this is power -- -- inside that building that -- -- building today.
Is a meeting.
That is currently ongoing with labor leaders and liberal activist people like Ben jealous of the N double -- Center for American Progress.
The united farmworkers AFL CIO all that stuff they're meeting with president talked about comprehensive immigration reform.
And then later today the really really rich people.
Will arrive I assume dropped out of Lear jets will be you have like Lloyd Blankfein from Goldman Sachs.
You'll have it.
Head of Coca-Cola of Yahoo! Mary out cargo these people have -- if these golden bear this is the golden parachute crap now -- Are gonna meet together but they all really want the same thing now which is for congress to go ahead and do something on immigration.
How did we get there and does this mean that he's been asked a Debbie -- knows because she's Smart and fair minded.
And Mark Kennedy is proving himself quite.
Here's a quick service through this -- -- the US chamber of commerce previously hate hate hated hated.
The idea of a comprehensive immigration reform because it was going to cut off.
Some low paid workers that they cannot you know Mary being on there if you had a big chain of hotels what do you like.
Illegal immigration is kind of helpful because you have these people that you don't have to pay benefits directly -- the rooms.
What changed for.
For big business on this question I think.
They sense that something and actually could happen.
They understand that it's important for -- the Democrats and the Republicans to get something -- they want to be part of the process.
I also think one of the key pivot points would be whether guest workers will be part of this as.
Marry that business would like to have guest workers and and including -- comprehensive reform the labor unions may not so when you look at where the -- -- comes between.
This big group of people that are pushing for immigration reform.
That'll be one -- accuse them -- technology was significant here because we have something now called.
Yes I know it's -- national identification system you already have an actual identification system it happened about 2002.
You missed that -- But we now have.
Employers were concerned previously Debby that if they were going to be turned into the INS.
That they were going to have to look at that the documents and citizenship of everybody was applied for job if they got caught and they were penalized.
Where they got -- or whatever else -- -- just going to be under this plan it's basically computer terminal.
-- the identification of the individual through and pass or fail it's not on your -- It's I think that there are a lot of reasons everybody's coming to the table I think that -- been there has been much reliability on business in the last few years if that you haven't even without America.
Working there many businesses are having a very hard time recruiting some of the top talent that they need which is another issue for us in this country that we need to be doing better job of educating.
I don't because we have a workforce it's got -- got some skills that he that you need but I don't think and I think that's it's cheaper workers I don't think -- immigration.
He's going to be a partisan issue Democrat Republican as much as it's going to be regional issue.
And many of those labor leaders that are going to be in their meeting today have many members that feel threatened by some what do you -- to these immigration -- -- I think that while there's a will and more momentum than I've seen in some time.
To pass immigration reform in this country I still think there a number of challenges head.
-- and the question.
Congressman is this -- house Republicans fashion something here that can get through and that they can live with that everybody catlett.
They have to because if you look at.
The lessons of the last election amongst the most clear was they need to -- immigration behind them and not only.
Edit past but give some credit for doing it because.
The rising population of Hispanics in this country is going to be pivotal in future elections.
They need to take the leadership and and I don't know -- -- fully -- -- amongst house Republicans.
But hopefully it will be brought to bear and they will be able to lead -- this.
We're curious at this again that they wanted to stop talking about this as quickly as possible that is for sure we thank you both for your kind assistance today we all feel.
But good bit smarter and thanks -- -- and they -- congressman.
You OK here's the deal Jonathan Hunt is on the right person for on the -- Jonathan -- is back.
So you've got that put that under your belt and that's one thing that you can be happy about today.
Aside from the fact that the show's over.
But how about some power points before -- -- -- go.
How about power Wednesday auto pilot auto pilot.
Your first PowerPoint days -- cuts.
So what these -- have to do -- anything.
Members Sully Sullenberger.
Who was taking off there at LaGuardia.
For US Airways and he -- -- goose into the -- -- his jet.
And the plane crashed into the Hudson River in the -- got us brought it down it was considered such remarkable fact because Sully Sullenberger was able to do that.
The reason it was so remarkable is pilots now rely on auto pilot.
For like everything for takeoff -- landing basically they function most the time it's like bus drivers in the sky they get on the PA system.
They tell you when the doors open when the door is an open all that kind of stuff when you can go to the party.
But Sully Sullenberger still about flat plane and he was able to -- it down in the Hudson and everybody cheered it was amazing.
But here's the deal.
Congress is on auto pilot now.
This is not good and if the goose got gets sucked into the engine they're not gonna have the ability to land the plane so here's your second PowerPoint.
Bad news bears that's the CDOs job these -- Congressional Budget Office that that was very bad news that would make people very unhappy -- everybody will say -- -- -- -- truly believe this is terrible and Democrats say -- we need to do is increase taxes so that we can invest in infrastructure Republicans will say we need to cut taxes and lower regulation they -- shout at each other nothing will occur nobody will be produced no activity will take place.
So here's the third PowerPoint that our point it's atrophy.
We are -- we are seeing atrophy -- in across our government.
And not able to do stuff the president doesn't submit a budget senate doesn't do -- budget.
House Republicans passed a budget that they know could never passed so the danger is.
That we forget altogether and that there are no Sully Sullenberger to put the plane down when the -- cuts get sucked into the engine.
This is a matter of concern for all Americans Republican and Democrat believe me when I tell you.
-- your power points thanks for spending time with us today and now -- we like to do every day we will leave you with the word from our French are.
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And that's -- -- what Tucker is talking about and that would never happen well it's not gonna happen here it is you've had insurrection.
Australia had 7% of Australians had guns.
Here of the numbers somewhere around 50% of households and we have a tradition enemy we have the Second Amendment you can't do it.