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Angela McGlowan, Bob Rice, and Mark Hannah debate whether the White House needs to provide more details on its drone campaign
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We would say that we only take these kinds of actions when.
There's an imminent threat when capture is not feasible and when we are confident that we doing so in a way that's consistent with.
-- federal and international law.
Here you have a senior were on accountable DOJ official.
Who makes the determination that recent activities lead him to conclude he's an imminent threat and you can send a drone to kill not a torture room but to kill.
So I am troubled any time.
Big government is is non transparent as this.
So those on the arguments let's get into it now without political panel -- me here in the studio.
Ball -- managing partner tangent capital and self proclaimed.
Smartest man no no no no no -- I saw her drive that was prices -- impact.
-- proclaimed I saw it and loved it and Angela McGlowan Fox News political analyst and CEO of political strategies and insights and no matter condemned to the title of second smartest man in the world obviously Montana -- -- over the Kerry presidential campaign.
Joining us from LA good to see -- not.
Thank you Jonathan where does that leave you -- -- on second -- viable way to Dallas my friend -- yeah yeah yeah.
-- -- I just want to let you all and obviously here it goes without saying very much not -- W.
You're right there are you worried that this is the president that you support.
Are you worried that this drone policy it doesn't seem to sort of in the in the U eyes of a lot of people go well beyond the bounds of what is acceptable.
The -- -- if indeed he is that buddies that.
Judge jury and executioner.
Sure I think that a lot of a lot of my friends on the left are have a lot of anxiety about the drone program and have for some time there's no question that.
This is an issue that's politically volatile both from the conservative standpoint in a liberal standpoint.
-- their cases against it but at the end of the day I think that one thing that's the most important.
Is a national security and the safety and security of the American people and so it is sort of questionable territory in constitutional territory that's why it requires.
You know Justice Department memos that are pages and pages long.
That lay out the conditions under which this is in in in the administration's interpretation justifiable.
As a means of protecting our citizens so let's be clear that you know we're not sending drones out there to just.
Assassinate or kill American in ex pats are people who -- doing anti American activities you know.
Whether that's protesting and things like that these -- is these are operational and senior level.
Members of al-Qaeda are expected to be.
A plotting in actively plotting against Americans then I -- Giuliani targets for these people.
Question if this is constitutional -- have -- when you have your commander in chief and if it is protecting our homeland.
I -- -- that's what John Bolton said it's better to have phones.
Then to actually have.
Americans and claims seeking -- do you support this policy ice that you don't have any problem I have no pop I have no problem with that all the only problem my do you have -- his.
If it more if President Bush.
With liberals stand down and we'll be hearing more about this in the mainstream media that's right -- how -- Happening which is it which is a different -- debate in my dad but it dates and it's.
-- -- and I have no problem ball do you have any issues I mean -- -- that you served in the DOJ.
Do you have an issue with this -- -- from a legal point of -- a constitutional point of it.
Driven issue with it I mean it's of course have an issue with that in the sense you know we -- it's a very complex set of facts and circumstances you have to think through.
But you know the constitution as a living document and we live in a world where are terrorists can do in nor individual terrorists can do enormous.
Damage.
To the United States it was not true a hundred years ago where an individual had very limited capability -- -- large portion of our civilization.
Not today so I live by the Jack Bauer principles.
-- -- -- Well I've still we have all the grand agreement from our panel here on hold signs of the political spectrum that there isn't there is no problem we don't want another 9/11 well -- -- -- -- you know.
I RL -- The civil libertarian view and and I do you know I do look at myself and I like to think of myself as somebody -- that a vigorous defender of civil liberties.
And so let me just speak up for that perspective right here I mean this is.
These are American citizens that are.
As citizens who have the right to you know of warrants and and her.
-- are.
Entitled to jury -- -- -- yes the rules are rules let me just finish Angela all the rules change when we're out.
The rules change when we're at war.
Absolutely but this this war that wherever however there -- we're fighting right now is very sort of elusive you know the war on terror this war on a Smart concept there's no specific state that world war against and so I -- -- actually I agree completely with Angela let me just finish real quick.
Angela I really you can -- this is.
-- this it becomes.
Real -- this becomes problematic.
When.
You know when a new administration comes in and says okay.
That the target of this war has changed our enemy has changed and and then -- can use this to two Willy Nilly start targeting anti American citizens fighting for other anti America that I.
I believe in -- rice that these.
I'm not soldiers and they don't goal by the Geneva convention they don't have uniforms.
This is not regular warfare so by any means necessary if we consider these folks a threat to a foreign land taken -- -- a -- when we were talking earlier that the eight did.
Reality is that there are going to be done that in the broad a question of of not not not just killing people in the war on -- however you want to phrase it.
But the the -- surveillance thing of drones and the number of drones in the sky.
In the next two decades -- decades.
Is going to be huge and I guess we have a question -- a couple of questions here.
Which is walk if another.
Nation the Chinese or anybody.
Decide that they too have this right to fly -- wherever they want -- and take had a one of their citizens that Chinese citizen happens abated dual US citizen.
Is killed on our territory that I mean where does it end I guess is one of the -- -- -- right.
Sure and that's extremely valuable set of things to think about have we -- joking before chipped it really isn't a joke in there you can't go right now on line in DIY you -- drove you can -- a drum kit you can make it enough that I -- flaw that I -- know yeah.
-- -- You know exactly correct you you you can -- -- it you know just remember that we don't remember when we were young river you know we've -- the plane tonight we're going along very anti armor.
Just think people -- and now they're using real -- -- -- -- -- real drugs so can you load that with a camera shore and it's private citizens going to be doing that people seem to think that -- people governments that's not true man and so.
You're gonna have -- -- unless there is a lot of regulation by the FAA was -- -- they've shied away from.
The drugs or sponsoring -- full of drugs were I don't know who they come from what they're -- I have faith in Washington and to -- and regulations that we can eventually control.
Angela McGlowan has I played here in Washington DC yeah that's.
Glad somebody does I have taken regulation not carry -- that you can regulation that.
-- I know I think that look I -- and then hey you wanna take that one step further I think that you know then you start doing this radical interpretation of the Second Amendment people don't necessarily have the right to bear arms but maybe they have the right to bare room remote control are doing now and bend it.
And none seriously where do you where does this sort of slippery slope and and where does this logical arguments -- incidentally -- have a police saw concerned about a slippery slope and in any way you I think there's.
-- slippery slope anytime they UN war but again this is a war that we've not seen before and being a Washington DC on nine elevenths haven't fans that we're here in New York.
-- really backing -- necessary I do have fate.
And government Dylan regulations don't let us if they aren't impacted him followed that we can still protect ourselves and -- civil liberty okay a little little.
