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-- Obama expected to tout the health care live -- state of the union on Tuesday.
But John tobacco use say this lot isn't doing anything but making America as thicker.
You have Brenda I mean after a year is literally for the last three years Barack Obama has been -- on Americans.
You won't lose your doctor if you let your health insurance you can keep your health insurance now post election -- rise.
Million Americans and the numbers are going higher.
The CBO reports -- talking about the dollars continue to go higher and really what it comes down to is we cannot afford this small businesses can't afford to keep Medicaid in their people and keeping them insured.
And at the end of the day this is just another sign of big government coming in -- big plans that cost the tax day is just can't afford.
Well Steve does it matter that we're losing employer.
Based health care plans -- more people are actually getting covered.
Yes exactly this plan is gonna cover just about everybody it makes no difference whether they get their health insurance.
Through an employer or whether they get it through an exchange or some other way through Medicaid.
As a matter of fact having employer based health care is bad for American business period it hurts our international competitiveness.
We would be better to move away from that system.
And -- place it was something else that was guaranteed coverage for everybody.
Okay John late -- tell me what you think about that.
I think job for -- ever ever -- Let's just get the reds' kids to play a part -- that what the student council around this last election about this slightly Delhi -- that.
And -- you -- the problem we have here is we did not have health reform.
We -- insurance reform and to what John is talking about is right we added thirty to fifty million people into the health -- -- -- the insurance rolls.
We did nothing -- health care we pushed all the calls an all of the things are gonna happen.
It did this election cycle after the last election were starting to see that now this is not free.
-- in fact the CBO which is nonpartisan says -- all rise sharply relative to GDP.
After the health care plan.
Is fully implemented Jonas does that concern you.
You know it.
It isn't gonna raise that much because there are offsetting taxes to cover some of the increased costs and there's going to be increased cost but Rory scenes from the taxes couldn't be more taxes and a few years.
On yeah I -- point.
You know the employer you just don't quote it's wrong from the president there in that -- reelection thing is it's not your health insurance you don't have challenger in your company.
Picked -- health insurance plan for all the employees is not yours to keep -- take.
If they want to kick you off that because there's cheaper -- planes around that's their business.
It's a bad system many waited exists because of attacks will fall where the companies can just buy you insurance -- not to pay tax on as a salary.
So I don't think this is about a fact is one of the good effects actually of the affordable health care act -- many other ones aren't as good so.
I think -- ultimately put more insurance in people's hands -- they will be cost competitive.
This notion of you don't have to pay your own insurance -- largely is one of the reasons insurance health care costs keep rising.
You don't see the bills -- company pays for most of them the cost of it okay Kerry beat the price -- is going up we.
Can't keep our employer based health plans that for many have asked what surprises do you anticipate.
When this is fully implement.
Well I I don't think it's gonna be any surprise to the Obama administration I think eventually.
-- it will all be under one government health plan here's why.
It as John pointed out the cost will be push more more to people right now that can pay.
Their insurance premiums so let's use me as an example -- Have -- blue cross blue shield my premiums will go up they have gone up.
A -- other -- you know what I'm I'm just not gonna keep paying higher premiums I'll sign up.
For whatever the government exchange will be -- multiply.
Mean by eight you know hundred million people that are now pain or whatever the number is an eventual all just you know.
Conceded and it'll be like the Borg agrees this is this for your time all we have to this government exchange the problem that is the -- -- then clamped down on cost.
Doctors will have less of an incentive to enter the medical field.
Supply about medicine wolf.
Will decrease just like it has in the you can write and you get the UK system work you wanna go see a gynecologist -- specialists or something.
You gotta wait six weeks that's what all eventually.
Happen -- you know the -- to Gary's point perfectly.
Very quietly last week post election.
The government announced that.
Medicare had cut their subsidy a reimbursement for -- four million.
Diabetics seniors where they would reduce the reimbursement.
And they reduce the amount of companies.
That are allowed to supplied these supplies from bowl -- thousand to fifteen so the government created a quasi monopoly.
For -- a diabetic supplies they created an artificially low price.
And it seems like they're cutting these cost to help pay for all of this stuff and Obama camp but what really is gonna happen is what Gary said.
This is gonna cut off people's access to this stuff they really need and like Gary said again.
Doctors at some point -- just.
-- not want to care for people -- it's not worth it.
The -- does that concern you well know because those again.
I think government care should become on the -- -- -- currently on the notion that everybody gets its point doesn't our health care plan needed to their company or the government is what's -- -- the country by and large if you have a lousy year from lack of -- words you know like European plans don't cost much we have to -- eight months -- not incorrect and houses but.
That way people that how more money or want to buy private insurance it's a Cadillac plan can.
And those you can't have to get did the relatively affordable plan the government -- of water or the coming -- of what this stuff for everybody is on the top dollar -- -- not gonna apply.
Guarantee you -- your record good you do make a good point John -- -- when you have this kind of monopoly if you will their well being a private market Bob Black market underground market for people that are going to pay.
A lot and then that's that's more you'll see they're real -- -- -- for people that say look I'm not gonna wait.
Eight weeks ago -- -- -- I wanna go see a specialist tomorrow that'll be the super premium gold plated Cadillac stop -- available -- that the right way to treat health care and.
First the way it's it's the same it works the same way here now as this so called what you just Gary be what you just referred to as an underground black market which is not a black market it's free right -- these countries that everybody is trashing here.
Their health care systems cost half as much of GDP as our health care system does and they have better out.
-- had to they had.
Have better results that's just straight up statistical analysis they have better results.
Why is that I'm not travel -- -- personal they had -- -- they're better result is that because of because of many times how it's -- like infant mortality we saved.
A lot more evidence that we have a higher mortality rate so that's some of the difference in the measurements I don't agree with that because you know damn well what people -- -- get a special surgery and -- they they come here they don't go to the -- -- Bloody all all result -- the overall results are not better here and we're paying twice as much in terms of your GDP and he's dragging down our economy America is going broke on health care even more than Social Security so frost the best plan is gonna be the cheaper plan even if it has a longer -- OK and begin doing guys -- guys -- we yet.
We have done nothing absolutely nothing for Health Care Reform we have a pencil -- those look at a computer world all we did was add thirty have been -- million more people insurance rolls.
This is an economic argument isn't -- to give people insurance are the -- vertebrae are helped our calls because they go the merger -- the can afford we'd play our health care calls but the problem is we did nothing for Health Care Reform.
All this has got to do is exacerbate the fractures -- that I thought all right -- fighting a fan sorry guys that's got to be the last word thanks so much to debate.
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