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The input -- although lieutenant colonel Tony Shaffer of the center for advanced defense studies.
And Alter of course all operation dol dot com great to see colonel has always -- So that this policy.
We are we going to go.
If the president and his national security team thinks.
That they have found an active Mancini al-Qaeda member.
How we gonna send the -- up -- going to -- them so -- killing somebody who -- effectively declared war on the United States war wise our problem with that.
Well first off -- -- Rand Paul I think we should be capturing him bringing him back and every one of regret after that that's fine but there's two things are missing here Jonathan first.
Intelligence we need to capture these people alive part of the problem.
That we've seen developing is that that al-Qaeda is coming back why is coming back so viciously.
Because we're not penetrating and network so again not for your sister I'm not a nice guy I don't under I don't I'm not I'm not say kill people I'm saying.
First you capture them find out what they know and then deal with -- where we've lost that -- John brunt of this taken to kill capture program and maybe they kill program which is I just not a good idea.
Secondly I agree with Senator McCain this should be a military program and one of my concerns.
Amongst many with John Brennan is if he goes over to CIA drone program could you expand over there I think it's a bad use.
It's CIA's job outlook on the CIA -- case officer CIA's primary job should be espionage doing those hard things to penetrate and get secrets from other countries -- -- idea yet.
Colonel obviously in a lot of situations and we've I think of someone like and while Lackey -- right to go in the to the environment in which somebody like that is and capture them.
And can almost be an impossible -- on many occasions a we -- to just -- -- then even if they are a US citizen.
The they are actually an imminent danger that's one of the things I think the -- the policy is it written so badly you can be an imminent threat even if there's no clear intention to do something I think that's wrong.
My book operation dark heart was about us going in and doing things in and safe havens in Pakistan which are very is very very dangerous.
We can do this in my problem with this regarding a lock in particular Jonathan we had him under surveillance for two days before we killed.
If we could have he was was 42 there's three other guys are gonna grab -- and any time and it -- it a tactical political decision -- -- -- made.
And we gonna grab -- any time so this is where they've got to straighten out this policy and frankly.
Some government official can add and announced decide you're gonna kill you a citizen.
I don't think the oversight is appropriate.
And again I understand what John McCain saying regarding hey -- -- these people are no good I agree with that but we've got to have a path forward to actually meet.
The fact that there's a Fifth Amendment a constitutional right for -- -- citizen.
And frankly Eric Holder having full of Folgers to jurisdiction over the fate of some of these folks does not so both me and a lot of folks like I talk to about this issue.
Do you think Donald that there is any -- in which -- dubbed the politics of fear is playing here and by that I mean the -- among government officials.
That if you try an operation.
Like that to go in and grabbed by an -- lacking or somebody of that nature.
And your black hole goes down all somebody.
Somebody gets left behind.
That that did the fallout from that is so much great a politically speaking.
That in just missing with a drone strike.
Marshall -- why John Brennan.
Recommended against grabbing.
Bin Laden back in 98 I was talking to some folks about that -- -- -- Bob if you bureaucrats like John Brennan.
Are always against doing those hard things and people like me our job is to go out and do those -- -- so there's always an automatic friction between people like Brennan.
And people like my short and Iraq are doing those heart thanks but it -- this is the bottom line again if we don't.
Do that if we don't grab these folks and get the Intel we have a deficit of understanding of how the network functions.
And frankly just constantly playing lack -- -- were cut off the head does not get to the cancer does not get below the surface to -- -- cancer.
Out of the of the country that the countries that we're dealing with right now so we can continue to do this we have -- the high ground regarding drones we understand the technology.
We can continue to do this -- to killing innocent gay people as aside as a side effect of this which we have to be concerned about recruiting -- the -- -- -- by over use of drones.
And we're losing Intel so these are the things I'm saying Jonathan we -- considers part of the strategy and then of course as we've talked about you've got the legal aspects of this as well.
To me we've got to sort it all out and and this administration is not done well presenting a clear case.
A clear policy and frankly this is a new technology which establishing a good strategy for -- all right colonel Tony lieutenant colonel Tony shake -- of the -- for advanced defense studies.
Great to see you as always --
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