MANHUNT: Did Dorner die in the fire?
Bill Daly and Tom Ruskin on the search for an alleged cop killer.
- Duration 9:41
- Date Feb 13, 2013
Bill Daly and Tom Ruskin on the search for an alleged cop killer.
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Ruskin former NYPD -- Former NYPD.
Detective and president of the Ciampi -- easy for me to -- easy -- say Tom good to have you here this.
They're not formally formally formally identifying.
The body they found -- that capping.
But they've opened the roads again pretty much is a couple of woman's right around the scene still closed.
Everybody's coming in going the LAPD clearly standing down a little bit from that and what wasn't terror -- for pretty much every member of the LAPD.
This -- -- I got that they got their man.
There if they're reasonably assured that they have their mandate tracked them there they saw him go into the building.
They exchanged gunfire they weren't exchanging gunfire with some hunter right there were exchanging gunfire with a gun they chased who had enough ammunition.
The whole -- off to kill -- shoot two deputies killing one.
And then to hold them -- for.
You know an hour two hours before they decide to use -- tear -- I think is that what they decide it is based on might -- coming in LA.
And the fact that they really -- want this to go at night.
And have to track someone potentially trying to get out of the building at night.
They decide to make the next move which was -- gifts and smoke into the building.
The police know.
That once you start doing that.
The chance of the building catching fire is great thing if you in the optimum situations you bring in a fire truck.
When you bring in fire apparatus you can't clear that in this case here because you risk the fire personnel getting shot or killed.
My former FBI -- -- bill -- also is with us here.
Bill in your room you're excused for being late because you don't look too bad 36 out of this little messy celebrity -- I'm programs and broom closet -- that it was an extraordinary scene to play at textbook operation by the only authorities involved.
I mean I guess is no textbook yeah -- And exactly in each situation as -- to say you know is is decided by the commander on the scene as to what the -- do.
And in this case that he once they realize though there were -- would amount to other people in the -- once they realize that.
He was alone is they could be made the announcement they can't -- -- we're gonna.
-- you know command.
They get you that you have the chance to surrender he decided not to they moved heavy equipment and actually remove sides of the building and then put in in the tear -- So at that point of view was for his prerogative but you know what he's come whenever a guy in a fire Ifill was quite kind of chilling answer so that -- unfolding live on the air.
Is the fact that they had sounds of of rounds going -- the ammunition going off in science which is also.
It can be dangerous because people just don't know where that is going and they -- this is dangerous is -- somebody who actually shooting at them so.
-- just really dangerous situation all the way through until.
Until the fire extinguished itself and the -- and of course and now -- -- -- and it was one of those extraordinary scenes.
Watch as well ball reminded me a little bit of the final sort of -- is.
All of from Andrew Cunanan the the shooter who killed Gianni Versace in Miami was cool and amazing to watch -- what what struck me you know we'll -- we'll talk with the guys about this is well.
Was that they -- the -- ordered the TV helicopters away eventually but they did they let them get there in the first place I mean it was resolved we will watching this.
As he could have been if he wished it.
-- -- it was a you know.
I hate to say it was riveting television right but there -- shots of the -- positions.
Online TV yeah -- donor was wondering who's outside my door and exactly way.
Could -- right exactly and this is one of the biggest problem you see this all the time now that you know there are so many.
Cameras and people -- you.
You know uploading videos on YouTube that you're taking credit and edited it that the information flow is uncontrollable.
Like he used to be used to be you know I get to three network don't -- why they say to Wagner they've got.
An infinite number of news gatherers including individuals who were all racing to poster videos up on quarter so it's it's going to be -- ongoing problem how.
Difficult problem is that home for.
For more enforcement in general these days just that the plethora of cameras.
Cell phone cameras tweet -- -- all of that Iraq in terms of possibly compromising an operation or at least influence in operation yesterday.
It definitely would compromise the operation he's in the he's in the cabin.
Most likely with television and the ability we know from his you know now.
Second -- -- news 20/20.
And you have that vision to look back and say what should we have done.
We now know he stayed in the cabin right across from the command post -- watch children.
You know watching what was happening -- you're telling me that of that that I think everybody's immediate reaction to that I'll get bills and put on this as well look you first off I sent you before the show.
Did not knock on the door that you had an interesting theory about how -- might have done this the world not how we did it but what happened my theory is that police definitely searched every single cabinet and every single premise.
In that area and what happens is -- what they'll have to second guess what other police departments we'll have to second guess.
Police then mark that as it's been searched open not a cop goes up there he knows it's been search.
And then less likely to search it again.
So I -- pay uncle something a little of it was just kind of walk right around the premise on which we don't have to go into the practice.
But what bill what I think he did knowing the tactics that he did.
From his experience in the military his experience and intelligence -- experience with the police department.
He knew to potentially go to an area that had been searched that they probably -- search again.
And this tape in this case he gave him tactical advantage could he could watch what was going impressively we were dealing with the release and that's mop up guy and dangerously small guy and that sensor.
Well I think -- -- mere fact that he had some you know inside baseball on perhaps that was going on maybe not to the level -- we may wanna give him you know the credit for you what's in the -- -- it was -- -- hostage negotiator you know but he had some level of technical know -- You know they -- you make your point Johnson one of the things that I am very much concerned about is the in the area of people who want to know vs those who need to know and in these cases.
This is what we're about to get show last night users who have folding one of the things you being interviewed in the view about what police may be doing -- what's what's going on.
I'm always very -- to think that if the bad guys have a TV where they have satellite radio they have some other means that -- hearing what people saying we don't want to be giving them the the -- the the heads up that was the same thing last week with the Alabama case where.
A young child was being held in that bunker right is that later on people last tenacity even hear what what taxes that -- -- had to get the camera you know well.
Listen I don't want to provide any information about methodology and trade -- because the next time this happens we don't want to be in forming the next round of hostage takers and other people some things are just better left -- -- and left -- get bigger as the national security was source of these cases around the world being compromised when people thinking.
They have the need to know well my view is not -- be passed in the tonight.
Just on the on the big front that you two guys go as well.
Can you get juror had to -- or explain that whole the level of concern.
CEO -- one every laws.
That pretty much every member of the LAPD -- -- -- -- California.
Would've felt knowing that this guy was going out there knowing that he had said that pretty much every one -- -- was it.
I get on your back.
Yes at the point in time where he's willing to gun down two police officers sitting in a patrol car at a stop light.
You have a guy going back to -- it -- -- the BLA days.
But from both the Black Liberation Army who were willing to gun down.
Police officers for no reason.
There's a guy who's a former cop.
Who has the ability and -- weapons -- to take out.
Most police officers and probably -- them in the initial gun battle.
The tactics to be able to do it and the fact that he's willing to walk up to a police officer who may have served with him -- and assured him and shoot him dead.
Is a very scary thing I -- it reminds me of the guys sitting outside -- DA Hogan's.
Apartment on the upper west side and wouldn't be -- -- went by they gunned down the two offices.
Foster -- and lower east side who got shot when they would just walking the beat.
You have a man who's willing to do this you have a very very dangerous men whose tactically inept it being able to do what it's felt.
You don't know how much does is that Sony was extremely -- Chile announces the official of the fellow officers you know being gunned down but because.
As Tom said I mean they're riding around in marked vehicles I mean what what do you want your headlights on top and have markings.
Very easy difficult I think at a distance that he wanted to.
You know in many ways you know that there was tremendous tragedy but I'm I'm actually glad it ended as quickly as it did -- Fact is that we've seen some cases -- on whether -- unabomber we sore right you know similarly case of the sniper shootings tendon in Washington.
-- web for quite a bit of time when women Pete would just kind of you know around and we knew where they worry could have easily gotten back into.
Los Angeles or another major city -- decide to carry out these acts periodically and -- very good.
-- all right I think he was trying to throw more enforcement off I think the dropping of the while -- was she was all right land action.
I don't think he could have gotten back into LA that quickly I don't think he could've gotten out of that area that easily.
Because they were tracking -- all right because it was such know and his track criminals in the accomplice -- -- that he has -- -- planned got to wrap it up that we could talk about this for a long time an amazing story.
Bill -- and Tom Ruskin former FBI -- former NYP.
-- who -- -- gentlemen thank -- your life in -- just can't -- that awful situation in Southern California.
Is -- -- so let's.