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That's universal preschool and theater talk about at least -- snell is director of education and child welfare at the reason foundation.
And -- Lisa Guernsey is director of the early education initiative.
New America Foundation so when -- go -- -- fertile actually for me -- for you played her last name for clarity sake.
-- -- -- -- what is wrong with what the president said in talking about universal.
Universal pre -- is that a bad idea.
You know I mean it's not a bad idea it's just so I think it really represents the triumph of hope over experience.
The federal government what are you grant a large scale preschool program called -- start.
And I don't know why we would think that if they've done an extraordinarily.
Bad job -- running head start -- -- sense.
Long term outcomes so.
-- writing before Christmas they released a huge gold standard random assignment study of head start.
But what it multiple outcomes and they found no lasting effects like third grade in terms of content and social.
-- achievement scores.
And they kept that really quiet but had start really does not have a lot of lasting effect.
-- -- -- a good -- argument for work.
Not proceeding with what Obama wanted him.
I think things with -- -- there at the first is that the Obama.
Proposal is not necessarily saying that's replicate head start.
And and secondly if -- that.
That is different -- has -- that he asked did come out right before Christmas and so there wasn't a lot of coverage of it.
-- -- that was looking at what happens to children has.
For five years after they finished and that the program.
-- we have to understand a lot of things happened to those children in -- additional years after that they were part that's our program.
But about half of the food tricky and it makes -- but he certainly passed the senate how to variables you can have -- -- When there you have one county that that -- maybe pretty low quality isn't -- not for kids and they can go -- -- -- to another county in an ideal interpreter.
How is what the president wants to do different and had start.
He's packing about high quality preschool program and forward -- finding that's certainly important but we know from a lot of research.
On programs that have had lasting impact what that means having a teacher.
With a child who -- -- in keeping with them it.
Pretty high -- of -- that's working with them in terms of their social development that.
-- -- -- know how to not just understand what's going on a fully mind but I also picked them.
From someone stepped to another and bring learning -- through the years.
Then -- Lisa still has no value.
-- what universal critical promises.
Being internationally competitive higher graduation -- higher fuel treatment if we want to make -- large scale investment in universal preschool.
And the only thing that we're promising it -- four year old we'll have more cognitive and language let me start kindergarten.
That's a prompt -- or making our investment perhaps a much different -- That kind of language that he used about what will happen if we in -- universal preschool and the pac ten is that that.
Universal critical programs.
Excuse me that we have today.
Don't look like prepare in apt to Gary and programs.
Most of the long term outcomes and the promises are -- stock.
In Oklahoma reading scores on the national -- and educational progress reports graders so -- seen huge region and we argued for any personal prequel.
The score in 1992.
With two to one.
They've actually lost ground in terms -- bringing literacy in the state of Oklahoma.
Since universal principles -- comments and equipped to be clear about what -- promising.
In the large scale -- a lot of money we have a scarce resources we have all kinds of problems with our economy we all kinds of other commitments.
And we have to be clear about it -- promising in exchange for this that we're gonna get.
Lisa -- how we can afford it look let's address the financial aspect of it can we afford to dump.
You know the billions of dollars is gonna cost to expand with currently exists is -- -- preschool programs we have.
Bit it's gonna cost more money then there's no doubt about that and we have to be really -- -- talking about that but I don't think he can afford.
You have huge proportion of children have left that is not the chance for the development -- that content.
With preschool and that -- Major disparities that happened kindergarten that are affecting not just the children he didn't -- but affecting kids who -- have prequel.
And affecting the way that that this -- questions.
Around with the teachers have to you know had been turned back -- it it's gonna require and I.
I think it's going to require having a really Smart conversations.
About the teach them about the the other programs that.
Sending out where where's the money and -- come from.
Where's the money going to come.
Right so I thought that it's gonna come from a lot of different things and I really do believe that means changing.
That way that are our governments spend money and other things that don't have the same kind of evidence for effectiveness.
New revenues and some places that's where things were going in San Antonio for example of the city that it.
At 18% tax sort of -- -- -- -- -- People hear more taxes and -- gun nuts.
In something this big companies and think wow what's interesting is that in any community that really want to make a difference for their kids there.
They're saying you know what it's worth -- need to put an extra money for the -- on my on my tax.
He says -- ask you about the argument that women who -- in the workforce don't have.
And every situation enough money for day care.
By having preschool.
It gives -- child a chance to get education the place the child to go while the mother is at work.
And it helps all around in that regard.
No I mean.
Apps -- things.
Universal preschool is not universal they can still most universal critical problems.
Programmed her to read it for hours -- any of the universal technical component.
We also -- clarity around are we talking about.
Programs that help wondering how jobs are we talking about high quality -- program has its other active and -- And so if we're talking about universal they care.
And you know that's another economic constantly have to play -- we already have a lot of programs in place for lower income women.
Now granted there's competition for that money but we have subsidies didn't placed at state and federal level.
Specifically for child care through.
Welfare to work and other kinds of programs.
So this really is -- different program.
And a jobs program this -- designs for high quality academic gains.
Not necessarily for parents to go back to work so I didn't hockey at this point about funding that can comment -- that.
You think it's gonna happen.
-- is now.
Could improve on in spite of your best effort -- to -- to oppose it do think it's gonna happen.
-- think it can have an uphill battle given that true fiscal realities that we face I mean California we just had.
A tax increase through proposition thirty -- for K12 schools and -- education.
That patent you know multiple billion dollar shortfalls at least.
In maintaining funding levels over the last eight years since then I mean I think there's competition for that money -- going to be -- Lisa -- what do you think you think -- is inevitable.
I think that the agreement we now on the -- that's about.
And equipment replacement -- we have agreement however I think what this is done is helped to elevate political into the conversation about what education in the country.
And that over time we aren't -- -- -- to a place where more and -- understand that this is how we -- -- equal opportunity.
I thank you both very much for the debate here tonight.
Very they're very very much like these -- -- a monthly occurrence.
Lisa Guernsey director of the early education initiative New America Foundation -- -- director of education child welfare as a reason foundation.
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