What America can learn from Israel about school security
Should U.S. have armed guards in schools?
- Duration 10:20
- Date Feb 19, 2013
Should U.S. have armed guards in schools?
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The fact that Palin has been two months since the deadly school shooting in Newtown Connecticut.
The school district there recently voted to put armed guards in elementary schools that measure is now awaiting final budgetary approval.
New town is the only school district that's considering such a measure the head of the National Rifle Association Wayne Lapierre -- said.
We should do this nationwide.
And look at Israel as a model saying quotes.
Israel had a whole lot of school shootings until they did one thing they said we're gonna stop it and they put armed security at every school and they have not had a problem since then.
Well that's not exactly true Israel did not have a whole lot of school shootings and suddenly decide to put armed guards at schools.
But they do have armed guards in schools now and they don't have a problem with school shootings.
I recently was in Israel and since we've been talking so much about this I want to see what he's armed guards look like and show this to you as well.
In fact -- met a family whose children have gone to school both in the United States and Israel.
And here's her story.
We move through it below five months ago.
I -- -- shocked.
So you know I don't hear it and I saw that -- You know that.
It's okay what still because he figures -- kids in public school in Los Angeles you've seen the difference between.
In America and school security here how would you describe the difference.
He's you know even in you and you know.
What does that CPI.
-- -- and think and it wasn't.
That get open.
Nothing if you don't think that.
It's fun so as a mother do you feel safer -- -- and -- your -- -- I don't feel safer.
-- -- -- -- -- I didn't get yeah.
Safe and except -- might look at defense and our feelings -- -- and you feel like it isn't -- to -- offense -- this and say -- it looks like.
Like school and that's not where I want my children at school it's better than the -- that have safety field.
In schools here Bruce is tight.
Since it's out here I have thank you a lot of secret because I know that there's two -- one on each side of the -- one I'm not excited again and went in the back.
And I know that I can count on him like to keep -- feed and -- want anybody backhand.
Yes that guy and then he.
He he attacks everybody that -- they can't name.
Some people feel -- that.
Having an armed guard in school can make students feel more nervous.
Especially when you're not use them.
Do you feel ever feel nervous around.
The guard because he hasn't had.
But it kind of just going to that -- -- -- -- that -- that I can visit any of the media Kerry and seemingly feel a lot safer.
And it is one family's perspective I spoke to a few families and they told mean the same thing Israel put armed guards and schools in 1995.
Not as a response to school shootings but to protect against terrorism and -- armed guards went into schools in Israel.
Israel Police tell us there had been zero public school shootings.
Israel is very strict about gun laws there is no second amend that you are not allowed to own a weapon unless you fit in very specific.
So why -- a country that has set strict gun laws allow children to be around guns at school.
I asked one of the country's top safety officials about this take a listen.
Israel it's almost the -- it.
Because we don't that not only that you don't have the Second Amendment.
And the basic -- of having your weapon.
In -- -- really low it's quite the opposite.
-- or holding.
A -- -- -- to begin with -- will be.
And it's okay all leave for very specific population.
He went on to say that really the armed guards are just part -- school security he said that even as a father.
It was good to know that there was an instant response if needed at the school but it was part of a bigger plan as well.
Should we have armed guards.
In US schools seeing what Israel's done is that a model for -- Joining us now and Hayes president of investigative management group that advises schools on security she's also former special agent with the department of justice and Afghanistan and Pakistan.
And Randi Weingarten is the president of the American Federation of Teachers welcome to you both this is a hot topic of conversation we want to keep our kids safe -- and you say.
You know it.
That armed guards are something we should consider in public school.
Why yes I don't think we have to make our schools.
Appear like armed -- but I do think you're.
-- in the schools would be bit very beneficiary -- on -- reactionary level as well as prevention.
We've almost made our schools soft targets for either -- guns money and are terrorists.
-- cause they know that there is no one there that has a gun that can't stop them and now only way.
To stop someone with a guy and they come thing to do damage is -- the guys.
Video with scissors.
Randy he worked really closely teachers you've been very frank about saying that teacher and not be armed.
But right but went out -- -- and you know I'm glad that you know you also showed that in Israel there is really strict gun laws.
40% of the people who -- for firearms don't get them and teachers are not armed in Israel.
I think this is a community by community.
Decision and we have in our schools right now a third of our schools -- actually have armed police officers.
And there are places like new town and others who want them because of deterrent value and prevention value.
But there's a lot of other things that we need to do as well and I think that there should be a community by community decision.
What I'm concerned about is that we don't make schools into -- fortresses with our.
What really did get out what you guys just I'm just curious about what you saw on Israel they had that -- what -- they have.
I gate that's locked they had armed security guard and what actually talked a cab driver in Israel on ice and will sometimes their schools don't actually have fences.
They let it be like I was crazy like these are so I basic things should we be considering some of these minor changes.
Absolutely we should we should have school safety audits for every school.
And we should have those kind of protocols like -- bar.
-- kind of locked procedures.
Having some fences around schools are really important.
Because -- the schools and rural areas so I think that we have to have that kind of safety protocol.
But the bottom line is also.
Yes in situation of limited resources there will be some schools that say let's get.
Social worker lets have a guidance counselor.
Let's find a way to really connect with kids it's a different situation in -- -- -- Israeli schools I agree with you that there are very very very safe.
But I think what the you heard the security people in Israel say is that it is a whole protocol based upon what's happening in a stroke you know that's what we should do -- You may bring that -- been and I'd like your thoughts in this as well in Israel and the conversation about gun control and school security it is very clear.
That they are two different topics -- -- what we talk about school security we're not talking about gun control you know in this -- this this conversation we're having as a nation.
We're talking about comprehensive reform.
Yeah but I wonder if we are.
Hurting our children.
By talking about comprehensive reform and gun control wasn't a big picture and not focusing on.
Had a light heat a five year old from getting murdered in her classroom are we hurting ourselves right by taking that comfort -- -- are up.
Let me follow up on something -- said about having counselors I -- think that that's a very important point the first parameter for security is intelligent.
And many of these schools have intelligence to be their former students.
Maybe spouses of it teachers.
People that have mental problems that -- -- have made threats.
And that is something that we need to focus on also.
That would that would help a lot in in securing the schools but I think if sleep I have 22 boys and they would make a gun out of a peanut butter sandwich so.
To punish five year olds for playing cowboys and Indians -- the in the playground is not -- they don't understand what.
An excellent dividend and a separate topic -- let your residents as well because again -- -- -- -- so big but how do we make sure it's a children's children safe and the teachers are safe in the bank -- debate maybe it's a separate line.
-- -- -- I think there's three things that are going outlook -- shocked the conscience of our nation.
And I think that as a result there is a renewed conversation.
Whether or not we -- the Second Amendment we have to find ways to harmonize the Second Amendment.
You know efforts to reduce gun violence but we have had over a thousand.
People killed since new town because of gun violence so I think.
You have three things going on one is a focus on school safety second is a focus on gun violence and third is a focus on -- -- health.
Because we also have to.
In order to ensure that if we see kids who are really.
You know you are lost and things like that we could be happy to find a way to deal with -- if I could and to.