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Greg let's bring in the hitless night Tom Ruskin former NYPD detective and president of the CMP group -- alongside bill -- Former FBI -- added up -- -- still with us.
Told them to come to you first he says -- the story is that he woke up.
Believe there was an intruder all -- which there are many incidents in South Africa it's it's -- particularly in the Pretoria Johannesburg area dangerous cities.
And -- panicked.
Shot this person is the burglar who we believe was hiding in the toilet cubicle for some reason -- -- in his bathroom you -- -- I think it's gonna come don't know I don't buy it but I think that something happened it is it is.
Yelling screaming for a couple hours or an hour plus beforehand.
I think he's got a very tough.
-- -- -- I think there's -- really come down to the forensic in the crime scene evidence.
I think it's gonna depend on they say the trajectory the bullet was down when he says you never prostheses armed.
Right now that's that's that's a bit -- that is because the that's an easy thing.
To prove -- forensics and see if he had is if he was as he said he was.
On just the stumps of his legs correct your firing at this kind of mangle or off or off and indeed it's pretty easy isn't it.
That's what I mean yeah having hit an Obama has outpaced it -- lied about that.
Well I mean -- I don't know if it's an -- -- case I think it just started casting aspersions on his testimony you mean if it turns out that you know that fact isn't correct in this Thompson that you grew by forensics.
Mean he's a number of things we're we're actually not hearing here again this is only -- hearing this is only -- hearing isn't just a very preliminary part of you know of this investigation which is still ongoing -- get witnesses say.
You know -- the he would issue shouting to the hear the shots what happened what's the timeline is all gonna play very well into this.
And at the end of the day I do believe it's gonna come down to probably you blew his believability to -- -- we've really -- like ability -- opposed to.
You know was a crime of passion whatever -- might.
Micro valve that's visit did this a difference here at the South Africa there are no jury trials it's a judge that will that will sit and hear this case a mom.
-- the it's won't.
Think -- -- strikes lead and then -- as a recovering lawyer you probably know this better than anybody is one thing to convince a jury of reasonable doubt.
-- different to convince a judge.
All he wishes he'd committed this and a jury trial jurisdiction.
-- -- -- And there is no doubt about it I mean you go to any jury.
You can being I mean it's happened to me a thousand times you know when I was a DOJ trying cases you can be rock sure war.
You're gonna win or you can be sure -- lose and you're surprised a big chunk of the time it truly is rolling guys don't forget.
OJ Simpson got to -- it sounds -- okay and into her.
However you know these these judges yeah they're not going to be impressed that he's.
You know he's a double amputee not an -- -- an Olympic -- I don't -- -- and so -- I think it's a much tougher case for.
Play devil's advocate what he has going his favorite everyone knew he was very fearful of for an intruder.
He had dogs he had the gun the gun may have been under her side if he went to get the gun.
Why didn't he see that she's out of the bed right provided it's a short term relationship I mean they only been dating a couple months yet it hasn't been long term.
So what are they fighting about that so.
Severe that he's gonna get a gun to.
-- I would say and that relief do you sit here I mean I think -- very little -- I will have a message look at some other evidence is that the same what can emails went back and forth mean this is a case where.
He swore an email -- where some communication from someone right and isn't that it is just learned that some way.
As a suggestion that there was a text from Francois who -- who is a star rugby plant had -- closed -- may not have been actually in a relationship with the Bryant tells the story is and that the suggestion would be that that.
Texas a minimum of response and and we don't know and and that's -- I think they get into premeditated murder -- Bob knows better than we do we know what just what kind of putting your Eli in this dancing is a premeditated murder and turns it be something different.
And -- sought to -- permitted to try to prove premeditated murder of it turns out to be a crime of passion that it may change and I -- so that.
The judge is also going to know very well that as we was saying that -- that Pretoria and Johannesburg a dangerous cities I -- -- -- in Johannesburg with a friend a few years ago in the guest -- on their property.
He actually told me when I was going to bed that night if you -- any alarms go off do not come out of the gas -- to the -- it will be assumed that you're -- -- and you will be solved.
So it and it happens but yeah.
-- like you welcome.
-- completely unbelievable story.
No idea what I would do the job you have and you can draw but it -- -- Occasional -- -- it has something else that it.
May factor here as well right getting an alarm system get -- go off what made him -- more -- -- was an actual voters opposed to some of locking themselves in the bathroom that is so.
He's -- I want to -- -- loved bill -- Please let -- what's also good to come into play is what happened if the shooting -- is the stories that we've heard are true.
That he didn't call the paramedics that he -- global police that he carried an -- -- And that he did something with the body for a prolonged period of time and that's not going to bode well for him.
If you shoot someone if you love -- It's your girlfriend that your significant up.
And you don't do anything you know trying get them help it just makes it look but it also messes up.
The evidence does -- -- ball moving the body I mean I always and I go back to Jonbenet Ramsey.
The moving of the body didn't help in the investigation if the bodies moved to help somebody -- -- yeah.
You have so all I don't know.
Everybody thought about it -- it to eight to eight it impedes the forensics doesn't know courtside -- did -- -- -- A little -- a little bit the crime scene is still the -- through.
Right you then have the blood splatter and -- and -- and we have the body was moved to but it lets the body was shot a second location.
Your primary crime scene is that they have through and right outside mark so really it it screws up the crime -- a little bit but not to the point where police -- -- bet I know what I think is going to be.
Text messages emails is simply what people were heard -- -- -- emotional.
Discourse going on right at 800 feet for -- to travel in -- completely quiet.
Pretty rural community not rural but suburban community which he -- 800 feet noise can travel.
Yes and -- chances but.
Was that was the -- consistent with.
I think you're burglar and going and stop yelling was greeted him -- -- what's -- consistent with what happened thereafter very quickly cybercrime.
-- -- This -- if you worry about what -- we do about it what we do how do we catch these guys.
Well I would tell you is that there are two aspects of the cyber -- what is the cyber attacks and espionage to go against our government systems and major actually commercial systems which I'm very much concerned about.
The other side is the actual commercial crime which organizations like the Secret Service -- response we've investigated.
These huge huge problems -- a demonstration over the Secret Service New York headquarters at the long ago.
Where they demonstrated what all these gangs operate how quickly they perpetrate these crimes in a matter of hours of getting.
Being a personal data -- getting bank -- information they are out there hitting ATMs simultaneously around the world.
Dredging people's accounts from the other concern I have most concerned his national security.
What -- -- on this country and protecting our infrastructure against these attacks we want people turning out the lights of -- can.
You know launch the missiles we don't people coming in stealing our secrets or -- some type of worms or -- -- Hated Tom all we are we doing enough and if not what should we be -- -- not doing enough.
We have that we have to really devote resources towards it out of the Secret Service we really I mean we now know the China.
Has hacked into our computers have a bunch of times and it's been show.
We have to watch this this is something that could really impact a security threat as -- a terroristic threat in the future all right.
Okay great see you both talk for us again what former NYPD and president this -- could look at that I remember that all of that without going so good wants.
I'm building a former FBI -- thank you so much.
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