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-- -- welcome back you're Mike Brooks actor Robert -- senior pastor of the first Baptist church of Dallas.
The NFL quarterback Tim Tebow had announced.
That he will no longer appear at.
Doctor Jefferson is church as he was scheduled to do an April.
Saying the cancellation was due to new information there's been brought his attention back to Jeffers -- -- out again -- -- Top alcohol is not the only.
One of the well.
-- can't -- a part of -- monthlong celebration for opening our new 130 million dollars.
Facility in -- five blocks of downtown Dallas is going to be a great celebration we had a number guest.
Were coming James Dobson and -- -- -- the Portland -- -- Colin does David -- behind others are we -- can become a chair Christian testimony positive testimony about the difference Christ -- made in this life.
What other a lot of controversy that -- generated over people's coming dark church and people are accused our church of being anti Semitic and anti gay hate mongering church.
Anybody who -- our church knows that's not true I mean we treat it -- -- distort truth or christianity that Christ offers salvation that anyone who believes that.
-- should be between a man and a woman in marriage and her whole hardly radical ideas by -- standards.
But -- or mischaracterized in and started feeling the heat and last night Tim called make.
And he said that -- personal and our professional recent.
That he needed to stay away from controversy right now on -- bloke he also went on to -- that he would it's some putrid they were like come back to our church and speak.
And that we had a good conversation it was a pleasant conversation.
That was yet and didn't about two hours later Allen he text me.
And he said he was reconsidering.
His decision to cancel and wanted to talk to -- to -- -- about it.
But instead of talking to me I was actually a radio interview when the tweet came across but -- -- -- that.
Everybody's talking about and followed it up with a note to me saying that he had talked to some of his advisors in Natick urged typical and cancel.
I say you disappointed.
I'm sure I'm disappointed that he's not coming.
We take you define Christian a great guy but you know what -- diminish our celebration down here in Dallas.
This is a great -- Carson -- the opening of our new campus figures as a great opportunity to ministry even further so yeah carry on just off.
You and I have talked over the years I really appreciate did you come on this far left liberal -- show you know I -- so I really appreciate that you and I certainly don't see and I politically I guess and perhaps feel logically.
But so I appreciate dialogue with the U.
And and I wonder though if you ever feel you might have phrased -- statements differently to avoid some of the controversy.
That has come your way.
Well you know -- first of all I've ever wanna play the victim would depressed you know I really don't because I think most journalists really -- try to get it right.
But it's easy as you know to take you know quote my greatest hits -- -- past.
And and -- -- the context around them and for example you know I am not anti Semitic person at all.
I have a Jewish -- in New York who called me yesterday she said.
I don't understand this he said you know I don't believe the new testament like Q dated but I -- -- simply teaching what the new testament says.
And Alan you're not talked about deserve your program I probably -- anybody goes to heaven -- hell in a great.
It's not all in the group is going to heaven -- -- individual relationship with god through Christ but that's not anti Semitic acts.
Couple weeks ago sit in my -- About how god bless you didn't people that bless Israel and that's what we need to stand with Israel Latin -- -- anti Semitic person.
Did you say once -- Catholic.
-- Roman catholicism -- satanic.
I'd I'd ever used the terms of -- that's what I did point out was defective.
If first of all all mature Christians used to be a part of the Catholic Church I mean it was the church.
But over a period of time corruption entered into the church expected became so corrupted the Roman Catholic -- -- -- look at -- letter reclamation.
And I believed to date that there are millions of Catholics are going to be -- happen.
Because of -- relationship with Christ I work -- Catholic priests and our community.
We marched together on the pro life issues.
You know I I think are millions of Catholics -- and haven't got that and I agree with the report the Catholic theology or no but that doesn't mean they're going to.
To it as a satanic thing come from.
Well came from the Italian he would -- represents a genius is Satan was which you said.
Well what I would talk about -- the collection in the Catholic Church that's.
Occurred -- -- of the church by you know adding to it you have to buy your forgiveness of stands and indulgences and all of that.
I think according to the new testament Indy message.
That there Yates from what the Bible teaches that played disciplined operational home is a delusion of -- to try to lead people away from god.
I'm Mormon as you said Islam is from the pit of hell and then -- it receives -- that that actually.
I get the -- does that would that sound bigoted to some people.
Sure what it absolutely but remember -- when they're quoting may I'm speaking to my church -- my members.
And of course you have to add the context to it I said again that did these represented false religions.
That lead people away from the true god ensure people are gonna take that is -- bigoted comment on the other hand we have.
Muslims in our church who have been wonder Christ toward the very first to -- to support beyond things like that it is they do believe now that they were on the wrong -- But I -- I don't go out spewing these things sound bytes at a time.
I preached in thirty years thousands of sermons -- hundreds of radio and television interview and to take you know one -- without a context can't -- -- -- -- but then there are number of these kinds of comments for example -- when you send us stay silent.
People who warned you know different from the German Lutheran pastors who didn't speak out against Hitler's growing influence in the late.
And the lack connection then led to the Holocaust.
Is people who tend to think you're comparing.
President Obama to Hitler and you're accused of.
Lot out of pocket and again I was talking about abortion and what happened I think we went through -- Holocaust museum in Israel last spring and I told my group that we went -- you know this is what happens when Christian -- -- As they did during the but Nazi -- -- so many.
At street refused to stand up and speak out for tree and I think we got a holocaust and our country right now with abortion -- people remaining silent.
And by the way I'm like you brought that President Obama.
You -- -- -- on CBS last night CBS sports and they said what you said Obama was the anti Christ I think I've never -- Obama is the antichrist -- upset just the opposite.
I -- President Obama is not the anti -- I have gone on to say.
But I believe some of his policies right now.
Will pave the way for what.
The Bible terms.
Is the future world dictator but that's a political judgment that some of those policies were did so I'd never -- -- -- the fact that I believe the president.
Very well -- surveys -- Professing Christian -- Christian.
But I don't think some of these policies are Christian but I would never label him as the anti crime.
While that you you kind of saying he's paving the way for the future reign of the -- -- -- right.
And I I actually wouldn't adept -- talking about that to my church -- -- preaching from the old testament book of Daniel Daniel seven that deals would be anti Christ.
And one thing -- that -- the Bible says it.
He will be able to use her -- will be no rebellion and I said it would seek government you know certain or more rights people will get used to that idea.
-- and you don't agree with that I understand that.
That is a far cry from saying -- President Obama is the -- -- Atlantic if -- -- okay with -- pastor the reverend -- -- -- -- approach is that correct.
Robert -- is -- the right word.
I'm OK with -- -- back with Robert Jeffers.
I'm -- comes -- -- doctor Robert Jeffrey senior pastor at the first Baptist church of Dallas where Tim Tebow was gonna speak he's back down.
-- common and other and different time our numbers 8774.
It -- like to speak with pastor Jefferson cited of course by Tim Tebow.
It was the controversy around some of the things you have to do we we would you take none of this back and you're you -- you feel is the media that his misinterpret review correct -- different.
Well I guess I would take not but that the things that I really -- but again I've been attributed the same things I've never said.
Somebody didn't I didn't never hurt you -- said you said that you -- and it's from hell I mean that is an absolute lie I mean.
Jesus Christ what did you want -- you -- in this from hell which is ridiculous some of the things are being a -- And the gay issue you're accused of having said the 70% of LG BT people of aids children are significantly more likely to be molested.
By LG BT's and that the are definitely not monogamous.
Yeah I think what.
We get what -- say what I actually said and it's verified it this is what I actually said.
I have in interviews and -- quoted that form and the executive director of the gay and lesbian task force -- an under duress in Detroit in February 2008%.
To a group of homosexual activist.
We need to -- to the fact that 70%.
Of those living in our country with HIV are from the gay or bisexual population.
Do age is beginning to see performance -- I was just quoting him -- greens speaking to a group of homosexuals.
So I -- and it backed -- far cry from saying it's that you personable respectful.
You have said that they tend then they're not monogamous they don't really -- -- -- don't have monogamous relationships and you know in only states where.
Gays are now allowed to get married we're hearing about people been together for decades that violent Kansas -- are not.
So I mean they want -- It cannot ever said that outlets.
I've never said that no -- ever has a monogamous relationship.
But that there is there are studies do suggest that they.
And among heterosexual community.
What are we read our I don't know -- well one of the reasons might be is I haven't been allowed to get married maybe what if allow gays to get married promotes monogamy.
Well I think the bigger issue here about the date issue is that I did that I am hateful toward -- and effective today apple think we talks -- this time.
The Associated Press -- a long article about me about three weeks ago about the -- Mentioned that on show court homosexuals what I preached.
And the fact that when I talk about homosexuality.
I don't single -- -- is the only sexual would be unforgivable stand.
But I point out that it's like adultery or premarital sex.
It is a variation from the historic Christian teaching one man with one woman in a marriage relationship.
And I believe that's what Jesus taught at -- 195.
That's God's best standard he created sex he knows how it works best.
But I have never singled out.
-- -- targets are brats I have to gay and lesbian friends -- presided at the funeral services of members of mine that died from aids.
We do not hate homosexuals and archer.
You compare gay or homosexuality.
To adultery I guess that certainly ruffles feathers because you're comparing something that is clearly a -- -- something that people who are gay don't view is a sin being mean loving relationships is not the same thing as -- adult.
We're not that many of -- don't believe you can treat the Bible -- about Spain just like departure likening the same Bible that says.
-- tree is a deviation from God's plan for sexuality also says homosexual.
Business same Bible so you can't Wear cotton poly blend you can't Wear mixed fibers you -- more.
I and so I'm so glad you brought that -- -- I really -- get somebody asked me that last night on another program.
And -- that simple why -- you abide by those standards workers are real simple answer that.
Those principles are found in the old testament there's a reason it's called old.
It's no longer apply Easter Christians today we only live under that new agreement could have been -- -- Many of the laws of the old testament are not repeated in the.
It has new testament pick up part that doesn't it has -- ticket for the old testament left -- and and build upon it rather than negated.
No it negates some -- -- by the apostle -- that you were no longer under the law we're no longer under the mosaic law or no it doesn't carry over into the new testament -- certain relationship -- had they had been set free from the law.
There's a new law and does it -- -- crisis so Christians don't operate under the old testament that's quite Allan we don't bring a bloody animal -- Should -- our church every Saturday -- evening to sacrifice.
-- laws don't apply.
So when people say what you -- -- prohibit homosexuality.
But you don't follow the plot involves what you -- we don't follow any it'll also be a test not only those that are repeated in the new test.
Let's go to Jane Parker Colorado with doctor Robert Jeffers hello -- But you'll certainly is -- -- -- guy.
But that's what I would just say that but look I -- and they keep it to that.
Thank you for having me on with that doctor jumpers and doctor -- -- -- Being on again.
I understand it -- You know I'm Heidi we have a very good life.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And I never cheat on my way -- You know I never commit a crime.
I was pretty much by any law that any Christian would but I don't have a belief in Jesus Christ and you know I find the idea that go to -- just that one thing.
You know kind of weird but even more so.
Other -- you don't have history like about it by others a couple of them Thomas and John Adams Thomas Jefferson do you believe they're going to be you know.
Well I believed I -- anybody who doesn't trust in Christ.
Is not going to be saying that's the question you know the Bible says all the disparate -- you have and I have.
I'm apparently not nearly as righteous as you are the kids I've broken a lot of God's laws have.
And -- so the Bible says were all sinners we all deserve God's punishment.
But the good news of the Bible -- -- -- throw out a life preserver it's Jesus Christ and anybody who grabs hold and trust in him for salvation can be -- They're people who don't -- the black preserver -- -- and they continued or ground and perished.
But but on the -- it is important anybody can be -- -- But promised yes he did so -- and -- -- -- got them better mistake and I mean well I ask how do you.
I don't know that you know he didn't you don't know what he did in the hell did just like -- Bible Hewitt all the supernatural but tactically -- how the you'd ask you know what he -- in the final hour -- -- Islam.
So you have you it can mess up your entire life in the final hour make amends.
The men well men -- they've left that I think that the.
You -- that's exactly -- what the people across and it didn't date he said lord be merciful to me dissenter there was a guy who.
Absolutely repugnant deserved to be crucified.
He said board be merciful to -- the center and the lord said today I'll see you in paradise all it takes talent is a one time trusting Jesus.
A willingness to humble yourself can pressure stands.
And believe that he died for you and you have eternal life that's the good news of the gospel.
Ralph in Belgrade main -- A day or night yes -- -- Jesus said that we would go from dust to dust and these assault was not -- Any -- to claim that it was the son of -- More than some of but I think is sort as a naturalist -- great philosopher.
And in his -- revert profile.
But as soon as it is going to -- How do you explain when that some bouts of.
We will -- Yeah.
Well first off he's talking about the physical body and that's true but -- that.
You need to understand the terms on a man was an old testament terms -- which used to refer to them side of the son of god.
The fact is Jesus said many times that he was god on the spot or -- -- -- -- seeing me getting harder and you know CS Lewis the great Christian apologist said.
Given that backed up what Jesus claimed about himself that he was god mean -- can't say that he was just a good moral person Casey didn't give you that option.
Kids he claimed to be god it means either it was a -- That is he knew he wasn't got but he claimed to be anyway secondly it means he could have been -- would indicate that lunatic he thought he was god but he wasn't.
The only other alternative if you don't think Jesus was a wire.
If you don't think it was a lunatic but he must be lowered its case he claimed debate and they those are the only options he cannot say -- way.
-- -- to.
-- difficult we had a 45 seconds left doctor -- do you know you're happy to be so sure.
Well I might.
I'd say to rest really on the integrity of the Bible and you know you were kind enough to -- -- on a few months -- to talk about my new book -- cannot know.
Answers -- -- -- most important questions and one question is what how do you know the Bible was predictable that stuff I think there is good historical archaeological evidence protecting the Bible but.
You know ultimately -- -- proposition Allen which you don't have to commit intellectual suicide to have that kind of -- Appreciate your time surely appreciate you coming on the program in talking to us like I.
Thanks so much doctor Robert -- but the first Baptist Church in Dallas.