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How will Pope Benedict be judged?

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    Gary Krupp on his reaction to Pope drastic and historic action

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And welcome back to space debate but with the resignation of Pope Benedict the sixteenth that we are witness to an extraordinary moment in history.

But how will subsequent generations judge Benedict agency.

It may ultimately depend on why he is taking such a move such a drastic move -- -- has a unique understanding.

He has a close connection to both Pope Benedict and the blessed John Paul the second Gary is Jewish and is the founder.

And president of that paved the way foundation an organization to.

Voted to resolve of the controversy.

Us running World War II Arab well not just that we believed he might all obstacles while we -- -- Okay particular -- -- that was one but he went -- obstacles between politics and you have but you have a unique.

Position here you have been knighted by Pope John Paul the second as well as Pope Benedict and you know Pope Benedict.

Before yes he became Pope you know -- -- Joseph Ratzinger that.

What is you -- sort of take on the situation what's your reaction.

-- when he was when he was first elected to the to the from the saint -- My wife Meredith and I would really surprise because when you to know him he was very very quiet very shy and very.

Very very -- loving person and I can't be exposed to such a huge change in your life he was sort of surprised that he isn't just an incredible intellect.

Yes you know he.

He would have chosen -- probably is one of those cardinals that would never lobbied for the position exactly exactly affect his brother that was not too happy about the fact that he took it because it.

Of his health.

Exactly exactly yeah.

How do you think history will judge him because there's been a lot overshadowing his -- mainly the sexual abuse crisis which is and his sort of it is sort of surreal way of dealing with issues well again is -- these these policies we.

-- foundation works with problems and diplomatic situations about it -- we stay with religious.

Situations -- but.

I think that he dealt with the sexual.

Abuse -- very -- direct -- very quickly Andy his statements were very very very clear and it's I think history's gonna show that I mean he's not that -- they've changed rules they changed what they've done everything they can do.

They tried to deal with the victims.

Trying to to help the situation but there are other.

Obviously other issues that the from his pay to see which were viewed in a very negative light which in fact history will show -- actually done -- very positive.

Think for example as an example one thing I know the Jewish community in a lot of other Catholics and -- -- Went crazy when he lifted the ban an ex communication -- the society of Pius the tenth.

When in fact most people did none of the standard concepts of what he did.

And lifting the ban -- ex communication was simply to allow the Vatican's holy office.

To negotiate.

With the society of Pius the tenth which is that very right wing group.

Which rejected being declarations of the second Vatican council.

And so the Pope in his.

Desire to unify -- -- of almost a million -- Catholics in that illicit.

Community.

That rejected -- certainly the Vatican relations -- any outside religion.

And I think his attempt to bring them back into the teachings of the church more -- it's neutralized and -- about to get.

When different there were major religious breaks with the Catholic Church new religions before the Anglican church -- -- -- And someone in the -- if this isn't so I think they learn that lesson they wanted to try to bring them back and they went did everything possible.

But they did not welcome him back out to full communion they just are negotiate when to bring them back.

Is -- -- but that that's all the things though that could be a problem and that -- that -- with uncle Benedict a lot is that.

They hit what he deals with is almost -- is is it's it's the fine tuning of certain things in the media doesn't quite get it they don't get and they blow it into something different.

Exactly not only the media but there were a lot of Catholics who didn't get it right a lot of -- In fact the Pope even commented that a lot of his so priests and bishops turned against and if they didn't understand the concept when that first happened.

The first thing I did.

For pave the way foundation with the cold front and -- -- Canon law professor in Rome.

And I said David what exactly does this mean -- just means we can talk to them we but they've not been welcome back to full commute.

And so.

We encouraged.

Changes and statements to be made.

By the Holy See to clarify this and they didn't do that and it did clarify.

And it took a lot of the sting away.

Well what else was Pope -- able to do for you and the organizational and -- -- however understand that we deal with all faiths many many different we didn't do with -- -- with the Palestinians and Israelis to do with the Greek orthodox church -- the orthodox Christians we.

Many projects this every Anglican church -- -- want.

And we we identify obstacles and problems and one major problem certainly between Jews and Catholics and other religions.

With the -- he Pius the twelfth now understand that.

Because of my position.

This is a Vatican states knighthood which I received may be a member of the papal -- And so I at a certain level of trust and I decided we decided that we would -- -- that to expose as many documents.

An eyewitness interviews as we possibly could and post them on our web site in addition to that.

We may request which the Pope personally -- that war to digitize.

Publications that the Vatican is the Vatican -- -- they they think they put the issue.

To make it worldwide -- available worldwide -- one of which was the the dot -- -- documents of the Holy See during the Second World War.

We digitize them we put them on all web site and the Vatican has it on their way.

But -- don't know too much about the price of twelve he had.

Has a very bad reputation to look bad reputation is only came later the -- and it was not during the -- he was almost the same for no.

Actually -- certainly every Jewish organization every certainly within the Jewish faithful the chief rabbis and everybody.

-- do what I mean the the -- was incredible and then.

We subsequently found out that they would say and under the -- you know a deal to try to destroy his reputation.

That's coming out a lot of people think it's -- conspiracy theory but in fact we don't believe so when it was actually done by the Soviet Union.

The -- disinformation network to destroy his reputation especially.

During the time of the second ecumenical council where the relationship -- the Roman Catholic Church in the Jewish religion.

Was -- was reconciled.

Well so a municipal Benedict has been on the forefront -- -- -- -- -- -- have so obviously you have a much better at a sending him who he was his legacy as the prefect of the of the -- of the holy office the 24 years.

He guided the church.

In the direction of of improving Catholic Jewish relations that we were very confident when he was elected that he would continue this path.

Well this is a wonderful and -- -- I want to thank you very much and -- founder of the M and president of pave the way foundation -- op Ed article on our website of holiness Pope Benedict the sixteenth we will miss you and obviously and you.

Very much well.

Thank you very much for being here wonderful thank you --

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