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A man the nose is quite well inspect his book is a lot about that -- spring fever Andrew McCarthy.
Wrote the illusion of Islamic democracy.
And he is with this right now Andrew welcome back Brian great to be what I should say and even -- You burst onto the scene as you prosecuted the blind -- and Ramzi Yousef perpetrators of the the 1993 world trade center of them are twenty years ago today the -- and what were they doing prior to that they were also plotting or planning to do something -- well you know the blind Sheikh.
Was a real.
Global bad guy before anyone ever heard of were -- lot well he was the guy who gave the fat while which is the Islamic in his Islamic supremacist ideology that's the -- the -- that's required before they -- commit an act terrorism.
He's the one who gave the fat -- on.
And more -- and the president of Egypt resulting in his killing assassination yes and many with basically the formative figure of the jihadist cells in -- New York metropolitan area that came together in the late 1980 what does he know about the Muslim Brotherhood.
While he's a long time.
The companion of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Muslim Brotherhood has always looked up to him.
As somebody who they may have tactical disagreements with from time to time but is an iconic figure in terms of trying to impose Sharia law in winning here big things and you can follow with his right away -- you know it took to put him -- -- you know -- is you know he's got some.
He's got some health limitations they still have -- -- maximum security prison correct yes right so this is not a pleasant lifestyle know -- I'll let you know look he's -- He's not gonna have a pleasant lifestyle almost any place because he's you know he's got a lot of health problems and in addition to to being blind.
He's probably getting better meant medical help.
Today than he's ever gotten in his life.
But you know look he he can do what he does when he's in confinement or not how does -- treat -- gets -- world.
Well we've convicted his lawyer you may remember a few years back Lynne Stewart who is his who was the lead defense lawyer when I was the lead prosecutor in the case against him.
Was convicted of material support.
Precisely for communicating his message out of messages out of presidency you know how evil these guys Indy before you prosecuted these characters -- -- -- -- Islamic extremists nothing.
You know pretty much should it as much as anybody with a reasonably good education in the United States now would have you learned.
It deep into the case was an eye opening experience because no matter what they say.
About Islam whether it's you know in Washington -- -- on the steps of -- courthouse.
Juries won't convict people unless you show them not only what was done but what motivated the people -- to commit the crimes that -- are accused of and as a result pitch having to prove that.
And proving it through what we proved it by which was mainly the the words as well as the deeds and people like the blind Sheikh.
Who we were able to establish that there -- a real ideology behind the -- and they looked -- America is a huge problem an obstacle -- into implementing -- -- -- world government the head of the -- which is what the point -- -- so dad do you believe a lot of people -- of the impression that we've -- -- -- out of them aware of al-Qaeda.
And Islamic extremists we've got a top of the situation especially here no no we're not who -- well we are.
We have stepped up security at home from terrorists and and that -- a good thing.
But we have never recognized the ideology that drives terrorism and I think for that reason -- liberties are at risk at home.
An American installations or school over the world we saw that and Ben -- just a few minutes in before we talk about.
The Arab Spring which is really blown up in -- face and it's not easy I'm going to be critical of the president on its air surface.
This thing was up all bets are off target -- that you textbooks the mineral -- got a totally different makeup and background so I get it's not easy.
However I wanna talk about the blind -- because the only way I believe -- gonna keep him from getting out.
Is to let the public no we're not gonna allow we continue to talk about how bad this guy is and why is it did -- -- when he becomes president.
Of Egypt the first thing he wants is the blind -- out America's enemy in America's prison we want amount he's got no shot at getting out doesn't.
I think he's got a very good shot but getting -- actually because the the government has actually been in negotiations with Egypt -- -- -- -- But I don't and what do they thought that we want well they've -- from time to time they've had things like democracy activists in custody.
They have a government that were obviously trying to.
Bend over backwards to get along with we not a and a lot of people I think Brian would think it was a lot worse to send the Muslim Brotherhood.
Abrams tanks and sophisticated.
Than to send the blind -- back which they'll try to portray as a kind of a humanitarian.
But he -- you believe that if the president got -- didn't get reelected in those days in between his reelection his leaving.
And Romney taking over.
You believe they did the -- it would have been let out yeah I'm well look.
I don't think there's any question that the State Department at least broach the subject with the Egyptian government of the possibility of returning him and the conditions that would be attached to that.
Now I think -- a like a China on that they were not happy about it they've they've kind of try to walk it backwards but they've never denied it.
They in fact issued -- -- to a member of the blind sheik's terrorist organization.
After he was elected to parliament in Egypt to discuss the future of the Middle East and American policy there that's the way these guys thank you know the good guys a terrorist on.
Tuesday and then he gets elected to parliament on Wednesday and suddenly -- statesman and that's the way they want us to look at the look at the blind -- almost the you know the Egyptian government wants him back they deem him to be an iconic figure.
They believe he's a political -- they don't want -- to talk about the fact that the politics they're talking about is the nexus between Islamic doctrine.
And terrorism committed by Muslims.
They see him as a heroic figure.
And we'd like to accommodate them and I don't mean we the American people but I think we the regime.
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