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I'm bill -- we welcome Larry Pratt he's executive director of Gun Owners of America.
And -- Larry appreciate you coming on the show that you and I have such big disagreements.
I'm half after that you're willing to document accretion of -- Well it probably would have it right now I I heard.
Of a tape review on the talk to Solomon -- An Internet show.
-- you referred to Obama starting a civilian national security force.
As powerful and -- strong and just as well funded Herman Miller -- -- that you agreed with them.
Did you believe that's -- the president's doing.
Actually I have a clip from the the way campaign -- Exactly what the presidency the.
Well I've seen the -- and actually -- he was talking about was not some -- evil army.
But rather expanding americorps and peace corps in USA freedom corps some of which actually was sort under the Bush Administration after the 9/11 attacks.
That's what he was -- volunteer.
Peace efforts not an army of people to come and take your guns away right.
That -- that they would be this strong or as powerful as in the.
Yeah yeah powerful not in terms of arms were put in terms of effectiveness since -- started here that.
They don't really tell about the peace corps and americorps in USA freedom corps which was started by bush is not talking event.
Our arms and uniforms and a civilian.
Army which should not be illegal according organ that we have the policy -- -- -- -- we could never civilian.
Well armed army in this country.
Well you would hope not but nevertheless that is exactly.
The way that came across it in the campaign event that clip it is -- for all the here.
Well not in context but but again he was referring to peace corps americorps freedom corps which he also talked about and you you think that the president is headed toward gun confiscation right.
Well that's something that he's not a failure to prolong time.
But what when -- the ever.
Indicated there be anything such as confiscation.
Well as a state senator bill Leahy indicated -- think people should have guns.
And he voted for everything that he could to move in that direction.
And -- president has he ever.
Proposed is -- anything pending.
That would involve confiscation that he supports is -- Everest president.
Indicated he -- to confiscate Kennedy's time and time again C supports Second Amendment.
Well he supports the Feinstein bill which would confiscate guns.
How -- to confiscate guns.
And anybody that.
And it has guns are prohibited under the bill who have to turn them.
Well the there would there be a buyback program and had ensured that there would be going door to doors I understand it.
There would be certain guns that that they're people who already have those guns would be grandfathered in.
Just like they do -- New York State under Cuomo and then the you would not be able to then go and buy new ones but if you already have the new grandfathered and there's no confiscation.
What they would be they would -- very registration.
Where the guns -- -- -- registration though I understand Katrina and understand that was -- really wrong move.
I agree with you that guns were taken however.
Under -- registration.
-- registration for cars people aren't confiscating cars.
No that that is true.
They've never have been content on confiscating cars as they have been on.
Getting guns and that's something that's not just us.
Concerned with our government and other governments.
Done as -- -- worse.
But -- -- with the United States government again.
Registration and confiscation of two different things.
-- and we know that it can happen here it happened in New York City and the sixties and early seventies that happened in the Louisiana it happened in.
And other places so it's it's not a good history.
I'm not defending whenever Louisiana except that was an extra hour and again I'm I'm opposed to what happened there but that was extraordinary circumstance that was -- blanket policy we're gonna come get your guns.
It was we want to get the guns out of people's hands because we've got a natural disaster going on.
Well any company has said flatly.
Nobody has -- -- Police commissioner.
Didn't make it sound like it was just for the natural -- that he was taken -- -- he was wrong about that but -- this is not a national.
The important question within a national policy by the president of -- -- years.
And the fact that he would.
-- even be talking about a whole raft of gun control proposals he had 23 different initiatives.
Happily all of them would take -- legislative action which I don't see happening.
In the current congress.
But it's certainly it tells you what's in the heart of a man.
In the -- this talk to Solomon show I believe that Solomon's that said I believe they'll put together -- racial force.
There -- going against an opposite race resistance.
Basically a black forced to go against the weight resistance and then they'll claim anyone resisting the black force that they're doing it because they're racist view them.
No I don't -- I think they would organize people that I don't think it would.
Have a racial compliment it would have a Marxist compound that is B class warfare.
That the president would be conduct.
You don't believe he's building a big black army to take over take on from white people.
-- what are -- gonna -- do you not agree with that but here's another part of that interview.
If Obama can take your guns away he can take your car he can take your home you can take your bank account you can take your very life.
I do agree that the Obama administration.
Would definitely be capable of something -- evil.
As you were suggesting.
That's Greg W Howard asking that question and you agreeing that he would take your life he could that you really agreement at that Obama's capable of -- I mean I think the man has -- totalitarian.
Mindset I think he's.
Dyed in the wool socialist and let's -- -- -- taking someone's life well.
That's what happens when you start taking things somebody decide that you're not gonna take what I have and they get gunned down.
-- you think the president is capable of doing all the things that -- said in that little clip.
That he will claim your life that he will take your guns they'll take your life away from you that you believe -- on the Obama would.
-- socialism doesn't have a pretty history.
Well moms aunts and personal Obama's not a socialist and secondly why I know what socialism is that has nothing to do.
We're taking someone's life away socialism -- think it was a life from them you're accusing Obama wanted to kill people.
I'm not saying that that's what he wants to do I'm saying that's what socialism.
Does it is force.
It is a monopoly of force it is telling people what they must do in the -- areas of their life.
And you actually were rather.
Up to our -- -- in that -- already in this country.
Certainly no -- anymore other.
Obama's not a socialist though I mean I did -- to -- a socialist seems to me.
-- -- -- misunderstand what socialism has which is a takeover government takeover of the means of production that's what's gone on this country.
And you don't have to take over the means of production that's communism socialism is the control of it.
Would that be taking over of it.
And I thought my understanding of socialism communism.
Is I egalitarian isn't socialism is when the means of productions around by the state that's -- that's the dictionary political science definition settle.
Well then let's makes Obama factions because it's just.
Correctly -- -- are those kind of socialists.
That believe ownership in the hands of the people.
But direct everything that's.
But fascism and socialism -- two very very different ideology you can't over the Tampa.
But no for instance the Nazi.
Name wasn't -- For national socialist workers.
RON and -- Hitler misuse the -- socialist and that aren't simply to say the -- socialist existed in the word Nazi therefore Obama and therefore.
Hitler was a socialist.
And therefore socialism means you're gonna go kill people is a total.
-- at the makes no sense to get that word socialism toward socialist.
Is part of the Nazi party.
What's not true socialism that -- was simply appropriated.
And -- million people.
As -- graveyards and between Stalin and Hitler.
Was an intramural fight between two different brands of socialism.
Well we absolutely via vehemently disagree about that the call Hitler a socialist.
Florida called and to completely not only playing.
-- as socialist -- policies.
We're socialistic.
He believed in directing and in some cases controlling the ownership of.
Entities in the -- His policies.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Obama can the Hitler.
I would say that Obama the socialist I don't think if Obama is the kind of virulent racists that.
Hitler was -- -- Brand of socialism.
I think was distinctive in that regard.
He relies almost primarily.
As a very heavily anyway.
On the racial discord as a way of I'm driving the engine.
His policies but that doesn't change the fact that -- -- -- that he used.
-- the description of how he control the economy was in fact socialistic.
While we disagree have a like I do appreciate the debate you really think we're concerned about you're really worried that guns are going to be tough guy taken from people in this country aren't -- You don't really lust for control and you don't have a lot of secure control about the guns and Larry do appreciate -- -- newest thank you.
Thanks -- pitcher tonight.
