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Just released 911 call -- causing outrage nurse at a California retirement home calling for help after an elderly resident collapses.
And with time running out the 91 operator desperately bag in the -- to give the woman CPR.
But you have to hear what happens next.
Not pre K okay I'm looking back over -- -- -- -- -- it yet but I -- have opponent can't have a pocket -- You can't do I -- -- after I -- Patrick.
Are you got that citizens panel app and oh yeah -- Eric and York but a -- but if not free and happy that I.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Apparently like and he's playing really don't think you can optimize.
OK I don't know and we can't pick out a letter if it's human being I don't.
Military Patrick when that's going to help the lady a letter.
One.
The 87 year old woman who later died and today the retirement -- saying by the nursing chief -- the facility's policy.
The policy if the health emergency occurs -- -- -- and one and just wait.
Really just wait.
-- any legal responsibility here joining us our legal panel an Orange County California -- prosecutor Jim hammered here in Washington defense lawyers Ted Williams.
And Bernie Graham Jim first TO.
You know I think the key phrase the dispatchers when she said as a human being.
Would you do this.
It at some point in life we -- have to leave the wall behind -- what our policies -- and and follow human moral and -- and the moral law -- this case is so.
Clear it makes me sick I learned as a voice got had to do CPR.
When I was -- your police officer I performed CPR it's a -- technique keeps them alive to the professionals come in the fact that a human being on this planet says.
It's not policy I'm gonna let -- die.
Please me so cold.
I can hardly put it -- words.
-- I gotta say it when I heard -- -- found to be operate outrages is shocked the conscience.
The question -- Was there any legal duty and I submit to you from a legal perspective probably not that was a moral duty.
That you would see another human being down wedges -- you would give them some help.
But you -- didn't look at -- side -- Vista polls they would have given some help her supposed read some say they're not really could very well have been shrewd.
-- didn't help so if it's a tragic Delaware around.
You know you know who's to blame.
Insurance companies and lawyers who write these -- for -- and laws because -- insurance companies tell the providers at the nursing home if somebody falls.
Don't help them because if something goes wrong you're going to get sued.
On the other hand let's say Ted is getting up -- -- years falls down -- is gonna say Fox News alert Bernie give mouth to mouth and take no hard feelings but.
I'll be back alive the memory and better.
I don't understand -- -- -- why this was even why this was even a discussion don't you just sort of automatically respond to -- -- -- -- human.
This discussion like weather and where we -- you don't just automatically go to help the person.
Did you do -- -- California at least and many states you have what's called a good samaritan wanna birdie watching tonight I hope they keep this messenger way if you help somebody.
And their extreme danger like an emergent situation you're shielded -- -- you commit.
Absolute growth not even when wouldn't be religious you are saying you know another -- -- I did not only are you don't add up does help but you know.
You know what forget the lot it no one designed by don't know what happened.
Could stop yes exactly it's -- yeah.
He realized that woman there.
We are like that.
And the fact that culture we have people saying I can't do I need letter -- is sick or what what it is certain energy anniversary of the hell would policies someone is -- you see if you -- help from this is the American way to the way we do for you don't pretty -- even have time to think about it doesn't mean I guess he does do.
It's funny has -- -- work 1 morning at about 4:30 in the morning.
It's two guys in the construction truck.
-- -- an end over end and I just ran over there and the one guy was pinned -- ministerial.
Not that I'm better than anybody but I wasn't thinking about it I think.
It's still idyllic don't just do what you just -- you just do it and I'm sure Ted and and Jim who've -- police officers come on those -- came on those he's frequently.
Well again -- bridge and what troubles me is that the.
For some of the results for attempts to hide behind the -- mountain then defend needed that because then they're scared they don't -- student at defending and then I went so there's smaller than any smarter than the people just watch -- woman death.
I have read the policy and the policy doesn't say that they have screwed of their -- that policy area.
You can -- and -- -- okay well it doesn't -- doesn't seem to go watch some person -- what are the policies as is any better public health emergency at this independent living community out of practice is lifted immediately calling emergency medical personnel plus there's some members of this and -- wait -- the individual media attention until such words and -- Iraq and say to wait and do absolutely nothing like it -- person that I can't get yourself going get a committee absolutely that -- -- Calculated policy a dude is really -- called Ted Williams -- like gentlemen thank you.
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