Power Play 3/5/2013
Which GOPers should be running scared?
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- Date Mar 5, 2013
Which GOPers should be running scared?
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But he -- is getting closer to that -- And it's putting itself in the position.
To cross that line very quickly.
Updated dire warning was from Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu was addressing the American Israel Public Affairs Committee here in Washington.
He was in Tel -- by satellite but that was his message.
To the folks the pro Israel -- here in the United States.
And this is power play and -- and Chris Farrell now as John Kerry.
This is winding up.
Winding down his whirlwind tour.
Of Europe and the Middle East his first as secretary of state.
A lot of disconcerting noises as usual are coming from Tehran not a lot of concerning what has ever come from Iran.
But yes the prime minister of Israel says.
Time is growing -- -- for them to have nuclear program meantime.
Iran's allies in Syria or putative allies or something in Syria.
Things -- evolving rather quickly there in the United States we've learned.
Through -- you change rooms and in fact.
That the United States is now trading these rebels.
Islamist -- not in sites out of -- -- things are getting weird or staying weird in the Middle East we will talk about that today.
We will also talk about Jeb Bush.
The vagaries of publishing.
The -- the immigration debate we will do that again we can also say that.
The first time for the first time ever Internet here apparently you can get to talk to new Fox News contributor Erick Erickson you'll have all of that and you'll have more.
But none more in your -- than James Joyner he is.
The principle that outside the beltway he is of the Atlantic Council.
He is -- these are important things but more important is the fact that he was combat officer in the first gulf war.
And he knows a lot of stuff about foreign policy doctor -- welcome back.
Mark Narnia animals safe.
Is something different happening in Iran poorer are things basically continued.
-- in Iran.
You know it's things like this is necessary improvement in the movie Groundhog Day -- we do -- we've been through this for so many years now that it's.
There's nothing to do it right.
Six and actually they'll never get -- -- yes can -- -- -- if I thought you meant you know Israel -- the United States doing something about it and don't -- you know what I don't think that's gonna happen so yes I think eventually you know Iran will all you know become a nuclear power and we will learn to live like -- as you with that as we have all other nuclear powers.
Yeah I think that's gonna happen but I think that all the red lions and the -- hand wringing is just never got us now.
I can't imagine.
And you we talk about this before your theory on this involves.
That it might not even be possible to do that day that the way that -- nuclear programs constituted how it's -- it's not like an air strike could take it easily.
-- -- -- I'm not an expert and it was just six air strikes everybody air Reid who is an exceptional charcoal is a notable exception piece in the wall and into auction posters for years ago.
But virtually everybody else is the best we could do was delay yet and probably give create more mischief then then good and in so doing.
Certainly -- -- -- a lot of people in the region and if you do win.
We're not exactly super popular -- -- true now that is true but now.
In Syria James Rosen who's been covering.
Secretary curious he makes his way across -- an interview yesterday -- secretary said something kind of surprising which was that the rebels and Syria.
And -- we should explain this so Bashar Al Assad is -- he is a terrible terrible dictator who has cruelly repressed his people for a long time following in the footsteps as his father but since the civil war broke out it's been a total bloodbath and everybody dislikes and except for like Iran -- sort of asked to like him because he's sort of their friend but even the Russians.
In the Chinese now say we're not totally comfortable with what you're doing.
But that rebels there are not exactly sure bad.
Put it this way I think is this a fair assessment they are less have been known quantity and less reliable than the Libyan rebels -- Foreign way far -- yeah those those are the ones those are the ones you may you may remember from such hits as the Ben -- attacks well.
I mean yeah immediately in Libya it is your call we basically went and -- stuff up and hope for about us well.
Which is very American help us well you know I I -- prefer that to our strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan frankly -- but.
I don't think anybody's ever had to do them in Libya are leery but no we yeah so we're training training.
And in the past we've not felt comfortable with -- these rebels weren't what they were about right so we're -- one subset of the rebels.
Army -- not admitting there were army you know that's upset of rebels non lethal it yeah now -- giving them I don't know.
You know rubber bullets officials and I don't go right to exist.
We're sort of picking a side door -- -- in the worst possible way right so.
We're being incredibly tepid we're we're we've we've waited you know a year and a half.
You know tens of thousands of dead.
So we're waiting intuitive to sit in a worst possible way it is just seriously those were through -- and hearing our way through.
He turned his back passwords.
Yeah its allies Dallas.
Back that's where it's at best.
Then there's a new critique out and I have read excerpts -- -- a book from a aide to Richard Holbrooke who was the senior envoy.
From the Obama administrator to various terrible places in the world including Afghanistan yeah.
And if he has an accusation that there is no foreign policy from the Obama administration and that it's it's it is a policy of drift rather than it.
Specific course yeah it's pretty much muddling through which is.
Truest of foreign policy he inherited from the Bush Administration wants with truth god overthrew the neo con ascendancy and let's go win.
-- people occupy them and you hope democracy and uses of life you know killing people and so forth eventually they'll become a -- you know democracies.
Sort of doing nothing where.
Fairway yeah we went and decided that tonight Afghan and is Afghanistan should be -- the -- pack for awhile we sort of gave that.
And Richard drifting through -- Afghanistan dripping through in the in Libya -- is terrific through very poorly in Syria.
And I just hoping his four years is up -- -- -- somebody else.
Gay -- you know there's no room.
That there's no real profit of one offs that are and there there is no.
Foreign policy and aren't you glad that you've devoted so much of your professional career this I think Dino T -- says this.
Works really well in North Korea does -- -- every two or three years they need to hold the world hostage for more money.
And Dennis Rodman so this is true so having -- new having nuclear weapons doesn't mean that -- be successful country but the worm may come and visit you.
Asks this this is a Smart question can you -- one place where sanctions have worked.
Yeah they do want to South Africa they did it.
That did pretty but it is different from South Africa as -- had a government feared what people thought great -- -- have a civilized government -- -- -- now standing with a pretty horrible you know uncivilized -- by civilized government but it was more than a secured about his constituent.
It's and did business and -- -- and we -- engaged in doing ongoing business so let you if you sanction Iran.
You're not that they they don't care what we think of them aren't.
-- you know -- this is it.
-- to receive his power grant date.
Whatever money there is to receive gonna -- And in the military's don't have the security forces are gonna have to what you do -- you starve you know pretty poor population.
Andy you don't get out the regime unless you yen less than the poor service uprise against -- -- today.
And if they uprise against them note Syria.
You cannot be guaranteed it what follows on the heels will be better than the -- that you've downright lefty got a military that India refuses as a sort of did an Egypt -- shoot through to civilians.
You've you've got a problem -- -- -- Half -- success but the success doctor -- with you today thank you very much for making -- okay Internet Jeb Bush he's famous.
He's trimming down he's going on television he has a book is he running for president well who knows.
But will he change the debate on immigration.
Probably well and maybe not exactly the way he intended to -- we'll talk about that when we come back with our.
-- -- -- -- -- We're saying is in order to secure the border over the long haul.
You have to deal with the fact that right now it's easier to come illegally than it is to come legally.
Mean it is what it is ridiculous for neighbor -- nation to make it to make those incentives that perverse.
That's -- -- Florida governor.
And presidential brother and son Jeb Bush.
On Hannity Sean Hannity and this is power play now Jeb Bush used to be.
Able TrailBlazer or maybe still -- -- -- TrailBlazer on the question Republicans getting down.
On the idea of some sort of conditional amnesty for illegal immigrants in the United States and the much -- or much maligned.
Pathway to citizenship but he has a new book out.
That unfortunately for him he started writing when the position inside the Republican Party was in behind.
Presidential candidate Mitt Romney bill in the -- are against it was she offers and another path.
-- non citizenship and permanent legal alien status for those still here.
It makes it very complicated.
So let's find out how and let's find out when we start pulling these threads where it goes through the debate on immigration.
And I can hardly expect a better people with -- do that in your friends Michelle Celeste.
She's a former Press Secretary to Newt Gingrich when he ran for president -- -- call.
And -- Nixon he is a radio show host he is.
Did you PFW here in Washington DC it's a good show -- looking whenever -- beyond.
And he is self described Democrat welcome welcome.
-- this question.
We'll start with you -- since it's the red team.
What did he just due to Marco Rubio Marco Rubio was his protege Marco Rubio of Florida speaker of the house when Jeb Bush was governor of Florida he was definitely part of bush universe.
To Marco Rubio is out with a pathway to citizenship.
Imagine bush is out and support of a book that says.
You don't need a pathway to citizenship -- you can just have permanent guest workers.
I don't think he did anything -- -- -- has already staked his claim he's he's you know like he did when he came out for citizenship and and join the party is LTD to him I mean what's the consequence from -- -- -- Nothing.
Jeb Bush is a leader on this issue he's a leader in Hispanic community and on the issue of immigration.
But here's an elective office and he doesn't hold it -- to -- Tony sixteen when he runs but immigration fight is coming down this year.
And it doesn't change I don't think the fact that they're still a bipartisan bill in the senate that leads to citizenship months.
The White House is going to be for that as well in the house isn't so I think as far as that the -- game is concerned it doesn't change anything.
But wait but wait gone back you know you gotta be here for now the question it's.
Marco Rubio is.
Took a lot of heat -- a lot of incoming for taking the position that pathway to citizenship even if it was back of the line that you had to wait until all those people who have.
Legally applied in the United States until their applications -- process before you would be given citizenship.
Not you personally.
But -- Jeb Bush to come out and say.
What if he didn't need a pathway to citizenship what if there is no pathway to citizenship doesn't that then insight and entice those opposed to the review plan to say even Jeb Bush.
Has said that it's not -- Unless of course Jeb Bush is seeking to list when he sixteen.
And what he's done is he's done ahead of Marco Marco Rubio in the primaries unfortunately he's jumped behind him in a general election.
Which which is gonna causing problems in the long run and the other problem is this.
He specifically said that he would support specifically stated that he would support it -- the citizenship and so he's gonna see start to look like the kind of he's taken a Romney pitch the second place.
Yeah if you think it all -- -- -- -- fall Hamas that you know NASA -- the house Republicans are ready to play I think this year it doesn't matter really much about 2016 because immigration -- -- this year and house Republicans are gonna play Google including.
If it's include an and it should be and I think both sides want to be I should have gotten up and run five miles has been.
Did not happen -- the Internet clearly.
It'll it'll likely happen before Tony sixteen at which point this this is a moot point for -- at least so and house Republicans are going to part -- he -- to go run.
I think he's going to be around I think he's gonna run -- -- -- but I don't think I don't I don't think -- a good idea for them what your party for an -- is about party almost certain look for the Republican who did -- -- -- that there -- part -- -- I think he's gonna -- do you think he's around.
Voters of this.
You know -- -- he'll have to just an adults only is -- -- I mean I definitely think there's a high likelihood yes.
You think there's a high likelihood gets to hear this -- just power plays to Bloomberg theory and it's based on very little.
Watching became the best -- politics but this is God's gonna radio talk show the behavioral study got to get on yours on the behavioral study of politicians.
Which is this.
It Marco Rubio.
Getting the Republican nomination would be a massive success for Jeb Bush that would be a huge success for Jeb Bush a young talent that he picked out.
Early on -- Marco Rubio was really green.
Picked him out nurtured him brought him along helped him along the way -- for him to be Mitt Romney's running.
Is that I really Marco Rubio is -- keep.
By by dint of a lack of opponents Marco Rubio as the front runner for the Republican nomination right as Jeb Bush going to blow that up.
I don't think so and you know may be in this position makes her get more attractive eventually.
Even if it is harmful to governor in the meantime but you know he's selling -- in the meantime he's done a lot of press on -- -- got a lot of attention and maybe taking reveal a little better than just success is not gonna.
On Wednesday it will -- -- -- sentence right now the Republican party's got a lot of things to sort out between that between now and I would -- six the next six months.
They've got a lot of things they've got to sort out what they decide what direction -- we're gonna go win.
And whether or not -- Hillary is going to run -- -- say everything about what the Republicans are thinking Hillary Clinton -- Bush and boy network yeah yeah.
Here aren't going hitter patterns across the heartland -- -- says -- -- like everyone else no path to anything until they secure the border 100%.
Well Johnny said here's the -- button and this is a debate that's raging inside.
The Republican Party here in Washington as border security is important and now -- many Democrats and border security very important etc.
Which is not very popular among libertarians but.
-- until you get functional.
Until you have that in place that doing any kind of amnesty would be a mistake that's the debate that's ratings focus circles right just you know that you don't think -- And they're probably -- like everybody else -- OK last word guys.
Republicans on immigration.
Michelle says Garland that the Republicans are going to address this and are going to do this.
Do you agree is this really going to happen before it.
No I don't think you will because of the level of dysfunction.
Both within the party in Washington over I don't think it.
I don't think -- I don't think they can get anything done right now and I think most Americans feel like bit and that's the big they can get a lot of things out of five points on immigration citizenship is the one contentious point alleges that border security is something both parties could pass you verification.
Two H one B visas improving that -- program and legalization right -- also learning and it's it's our.
Now -- legalization -- -- for not citizenship right.
But starting this week then why can't house Republicans be proactive and get something done.
Pass this week the border security after researching my next week passed the visa reform act as -- -- take it week after that yes that you verify the -- -- -- Jobs growth program soon and start getting this stuff done to get -- -- -- -- Garland is cynical and pessimistic Michelle is cynical optimist that is the dichotomy that we had to -- trade -- Against -- we wouldn't trade you guys I think thanks for making time for us -- -- Internet.
You may have heard it and he is popular upon -- his name is Eric Erickson and he is a new Fox News contributor and he's going to make his maiden voyage.
Here on the play of the hour.
So stick around.
And those two people are Republican members of the United States senate.
And they have more in common than just that and this is power play now look.
And Mitch McConnell are very important very important inside the Republican senate conference big deal mr.
McConnell in fact from the commonwealth of Kentucky.
The most important Republican inside the conference.
Graham -- the point -- as we've seen time and time and time and time again.
When it comes to national defense issues for the Republicans.
But they also have in -- fact that they -- it.
I'm married out of office before they get the chance to run again both of them are up for reelection.
Next year and both of them face potentially stiff challenges -- What about that.
Instead they get scared and they're probably scared but should they be somebody who knows -- -- is Erick Erickson now.
To explain mr.
Erickson to you Internet though he needs no introduction to you.
He's the editor in chief of red state got dot com and now -- -- -- contributor.
He is I would say that -- -- dozens of your site to be described this way they think the Republicans are good.
But only as compared to the Democrat right there is that the least bad alternative visited -- -- a political usually it's just usually the evils to lesser.
This is like the Internet election.
Now first I have guys here that are they treating you okay here is that yes yes you can tell you probably can I am I can't do anything about it but it makes yeah.
Only one mom did -- -- and I'm alive everybody's doing okay yes I don't fall for that thing.
The Doocy -- say when they see beneath them and -- Hogan in a swimsuit there's no -- -- -- -- Israel actually -- likely to get up there and got an email from the seeds in it to -- its attractiveness okay I'm good I'm glad you're around.
Most of the discussion in Kentucky has been about Ashley Judd -- Democrats for some reason.
This -- been the most improbable yes improbable thing I've ever seen Ashley Judd who I don't know whether you've been to Kentucky lately.
Ain't a lot like a lot of geology into the -- she -- she's proud tennis tournament -- unwilling to move to represent -- days in the senate but.
There is also.
What it was somebody's being described as -- Tea Party but more libertarian -- all brand and a guy who's running against thinking about running -- McConnell there.
And if anybody's gonna get primary -- it's -- -- -- Lindsey Graham of South Carolina right.
I actually think McConnell -- you primary than Lindsey Graham.
Lindsey Graham is Lindsey Graham people kind of -- they they give -- they remember him walking across the -- to -- to the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton.
So he does have some -- there in South Carolina you've got -- Scott running to he did confirm his appointment is Jim -- replacement.
And you've got Lindsey Graham you've also got a bunch of other seats of their -- people are jockeying for position in South Carolina there is that a deep field replacing in.
Kentucky -- you have a lot of conservatives who feel like for the past two to four years.
McConnell hasn't done a lot of them he's been more interest in what Olympia snow right and Susan Collins of done.
And you've got some jurors myself included who think it's time to show Mitch McConnell he's not indispensable.
So -- the the hope that it and you know we can look back and we have done this a lot here.
Insurgents and establishment candidates both had a terrible point right.
In the in the senate Republicans once upon a time believe that taking back -- -- was like well that's obviously going right after the release in areas like Romney loses but the Republicans clearly went back the senate right everybody over in Missouri and Indiana where you had insurgents and -- pity poor Richard Murdoch who got caught in the -- -- -- Probably would have survived but -- -- -- -- vacant but then who nobody wanted except the Democrat -- into negative moments didn't seem like the yes and then you go -- and you see in North Dakota though in Montana establishment backed -- like Wisconsin and Wisconsin.
Virginia yeah no no where it was -- so so it was a given that -- for Republican everybody had a bad year what is to prevent that from happening again.
Will we know the demographic turnout in an off year election is different from on your election and a presidential cycle we -- that Republicans are issuing their social.
-- more engaged for a primary season and for general election as they tend to do.
In off year elections and we know better at least my working theory is that the coalition and elected Barack Obama 2002012.
Didn't turn out for -- 2000.
And there's no period either gonna turn out for -- in 2014.
I think it is Barack Obama's coalition not the democrats' coalition and if you ask these people.
They -- to say they're progressives they're not Democrats and I.
They fracture in the field in the organizing.
America Obama for America organizing for action none of those letters involved PNC exactly.
That he also is writing some red Fox News that that you can enjoy it why limit your enjoyment of Ericsson Erick Erickson -- just outside.
But welcome aboard thank you very much appreciated being with -- very much luck there is no Charles.
I mean you'll be back but he just wasn't there last night so wrap your head around -- prepare yourself on on what Jonathan but how about some power points.
No set price there's your power points today.
And we learn from white house Press Secretary Jay Carney that there was in fact no set price for donors to the president's permanent campaign.
To get face time with the president -- -- first PowerPoint it's going to be flexible it's good to know that in fact there is no set price but perhaps they have specials or they run different incentives I don't know but certainly mr.
Carney didn't do very well -- pushing back on this story.
Probably because and I pointed -- my power play today which can get if you follow me on Twitter.
Is that he can't push back to heart.
Well why would anybody get money for goodness sakes -- -- that there would be no access what's why would somebody want to get a half a million dollars that's not how politics works.
And you know it.
-- your second -- fight fire with fire.
Now look the president when he opted out the campaign fund raising as expenditure limits in 2008.
When he endorsed a super pac acting on his own behalf they made the argument that these things when necessary in order to ultimately fix the influence of money on politics now.
Re elected the president says he's fighting fire again this time.
By having a permanent campaign that access unlimited donations probably from people who would like to do some business with federal government perhaps less business done to them by the federal.
This should probably be concerning an event here's your third PowerPoint slide out not slouching but sprinting.
We talked about slouching into a big crude -- beast slouching towards Bethlehem -- slouching towards -- -- this is a split.
To -- more -- my goodness once you open up the doors -- permanent ultimately funded campaign for president don't even worry about what Barack Obama's gonna do.
But what successive presidents Democrat and Republican will do with this new president.
Should be alarming to everybody I noticed me I'm just went out there those -- your PowerPoint.
I'm -- Jonathan Hunt starts now.
See you tomorrow.