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Now let's talk about the issues facing the Catholic Church -- Maureen Malloy Ferguson who is a senior policy advisor at the Catholic association.
And Stephen white -- following cash in the Catholic studies program at the Ethics and Public Policy Center thank you both so much for being here.
Going to be here let's ask let me -- when you Maureen when these cardinals all sit down and stop talking what do you believe.
All the issues that the Catholic Church the most significant issues the Catholic Church faces and the one that whomever is the next spoke.
Needs to deal would.
Well I think certainly obviously the cardinals are looking for a person of great personal holiness and obvious closeness to god in the -- There but beyond that we need someone -- -- good administrators someone who can tackle that Vatican bureaucracy.
And most importantly somebody you can communicate that truths of our feet I think it has so many beautiful -- -- -- -- -- about the human per cent each and that we live in an increasingly secular rise to world.
The world in which relativism rains and it takes -- -- -- breakthrough in our culture -- so busy that it takes it takes it really -- communicate -- -- breakthrough and to communicate that beautiful truths about our feet.
-- if you -- one of those cardinals -- walk would be weighing most greatly on -- mind.
Well I think that's the first thing that that -- said his his right.
Personal holiness you know the cardinals are bound to choose.
The man to be the next of the man who they think.
Best serves -- church church's mission of saving souls.
It's very easy to -- The conclave through our usual political categories of conservatives and liberal and all that that's extremely unhelpful and that it doesn't really clarify anything.
The church existence angeles' who proposed to the world with Saint Paul called still more excellent way that is Christian love grounded in friendship with Jesus Christ.
And what the -- -- -- -- deliberating is not whether or not that should be the focus of the mission but whose best equipped to undertake that mission.
That -- all cleared up through the Roman curia so that it helps rather than hinders the mission of the church.
Move albeit there's -- said the veto to address.
The media -- compelling way to address issues of secularism.
But also to -- -- -- happened to the energies of the church.
In in the global south as it's called -- -- -- -- -- is growing and exploding the American and numbers of Catholics are rising rapidly.
That's had an interesting point morning the there's there's been a lot of talk of the choice between the sort of safe.
More conservative lineup perhaps an eight -- -- choosing an Italian.
Cardinal to be -- to become the next Pope.
All of the all the most sort of outreach approach shot that Stephen alludes to that by choosing somebody from the Southern Hemisphere and I I was reading that I think it's -- Turks and of Ghana was among -- -- that the front runners.
Which approach do you think would best serve the chair.
As Stephen was saying I think these divisions of liberal vs conservative and I sort of tired.
An -- divisions I don't think it matters so much where that person is from.
Although there are some exciting.
Potential picks from various parts of them were out there he mentioned -- Turks and -- contact there's current top lakes and the Philippines have had a very dynamic personalities Oliver UT event.
Young and energetic.
And that again I think what the cardinals are going to be looking for is not so -- where that -- -- -- But how they can communicate -- at our feet and -- aren't you know there's been a lot of discussion about polls of people within that church and -- their views aren't things.
And I think that fundamentally.
It just sort of misunderstand.
What the role of the church it -- Out of the church is not a democracy led by politicians whose job it is to authorities compromise -- consensus on issues of the day but the role of the church rather it is -- Pastor to be to be a shepherd to lead souls to happen.
And says speak to -- about.
You know as Pope Benedict sat in his first encyclical that god -- love.
Thank god loves -- deeply and wants us to -- -- communion with hands and and that is the essential role of the church is test call souls torrent sky.
Spark I just sort of -- put up one and one of the -- times CBS news poll here not do on Pope Benedict said the sixties leadership how it impacted the church.
According to that poll 126%.
And even small and others say it out.
Say it was a mixed blessing and then Stephen that the Saint -- New York Times CBS.
Paul -- do you think the Catholic Church is.
In touch with the needs of Catholics today only 39%.
Said yes they believe that the church is in touch 53%.
Saying it's out of touch.
That is a real challenges and we talked others -- within the judge who said yes.
We need to make the church more relevant in the lives of more people an -- and as you say not not just Catholics but evangelizing.
Bringing about more Catholics.
Yeah I think you're right.
There's there's two ways to look at this one is helpful one is not we talk a lot about the church sort of bringing coming into the modern world.
And if that means that the church is going to change the truth that it is inherited this that the truth of which it is custodians that's not going to happen.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But we talk about the church being more effective.
At proposing those trees and that's something -- -- -- -- do much better job that.
We look at Catholics in the United States not -- the numbers in the -- times -- but it's pretty clear that.
That one of the largest religious constituencies in the United States for example -- acts Catholics.
There's no problem there now maybe it's that people are rejecting what the church is proposing.
-- the possibility the immediate problem is that the church hasn't been proposing it in a way that's compelling.
The church is not just a series of -- a lot of people know that things that the church is against abortion or contraception -- -- -- what's often missed and was much much more important from the standpoint of the church.
Is that every time the church says no -- say no because it proposes something that it affirms there's a yes that goes with it that's a greater yes.
So the church's stance on unmarried -- I'm on contraception.
It says no to certain because opposes what it sees -- a better way.
And I think that those truths are rooted in friendship and Christ and in the gospel that is the church has to do better job of communicating those -- Those -- the trees that are compelling.
That kind of Christian disciples -- -- gonna get to church a long way in this modern society and I think it's something that hasn't been done.
Very effectively over the last half century or so.
All right before I let you both go -- more boring to you first and then Stephen.
When do you think we will of the conclave will begin and how long do you think it's likely -- last.
We're all waiting in great anticipation it is all speculation none of us now exactly.
But clearly the cardinals are being very deliberate and I'm going into the conclave so it perhaps is more likely that once they enter that conclave that they'll come out quickly.
You think we'll know next week's even though they -- -- the eternal city for a reason they don't -- wrapped -- we've got I think it's there's a consensus that that.
We would like to have a new hope and time for holy week which is coming up at the end of the month.
So I don't expect the -- to start start sometime next week.
Whether it will be short conclave her long conclave is anybody's guess right now there doesn't seem to be clear front runner.
Which might suggests.
A longer conclave.
Possibly -- was sort of no one's first choice but every 12 choice candidate be elected but that -- -- speculation there's no way to tell.
All right -- wonderful to told you've both and to get -- thoughts on the yet challenges.
Facing the Catholic church and the did the joy and excitement I guess of this moment and -- in the in the history of the judge.
Morning -- Ferguson who is -- -- policy advisor of the Catholic association.
And Stephen white fellow with a Catholic studies program at the ethics and public policy sent -- thank you both so much.
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