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You -- -- talk about an exciting day this is an exciting day you know why we're 22.

Hours now.

Give it to a couple of minutes probably from the conclave.

Kong -- you know what that means in Latin it means with lock and key that's when.

The princes of the church in the Catholic Church are gonna get together inside the Sistine Chapel and they're gonna choose.

When the next Pope will be.

Currently I'm Rick Sanchez and this is a special edition of Fox News Latino where we are going to be bringing you as we go forward the events.

As they happen news as it happens with the very latest now.

Just starting with this weekend it's been pretty exciting to see what happened you could imagine all these cardinals.

Coming from all over the world including several from the United States two of which are actually being considered possibly become month.

-- themselves one from New York candle from Boston.

And they went out amongst the people amongst the flock as it were that was kind of one of the most interest in parts.

Of all of this -- before they get locked up so to speak they actually were all given different parishes that they can go to.

Where.

-- presided over balance and they were able to talk to the people and they also are actually where the first time in mingling with reporters and answering questions some.

You know benign questions and also some very serious questions about you know the future of the Catholic Church there's cardinal O'Malley from a Boston I think we saw Dolan a little while ago there's -- and I believe from -- New York City both of them being considered as potential.

Candidates for wrote the -- see themselves so we're gonna take you through all of that by the way we don't wanna do this -- -- that you.

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Or Rick Sanchez TVs so let us progress shall we before we do anything else.

I think it's imperative that we take you the very latest information and do that -- take you directly to Rome right now.

That's where -- -- people correspondent Brian pianist is a standing by as we speak to -- -- -- The latest sir.

What's going on.

-- -- that's right we -- live in Rome Italy just a few blocks away from the walls of Vatican City.

We're like you said next to saint Peter's basilica which is over my left shoulder 115.

Cardinal electors who answered the Sistine Chapel.

And vote for the very first time -- cast their first ballot.

Now like you said this conclave has a different -- than the rest experts say -- for for different reasons you had mentioned it at the top of the hour when it came to you.

The American candidates like Sean O'Malley and archbishop of York Timothy Dolan.

You know the last time.

-- the Catholic Church had a hope now was non European was 12172.

Years ago Gregory the third from serious so now this conclave actually you know also started.

Because of the retirement of Pope Benedict the sixteenth again an unprecedented moment so.

And this cut it really has shaped up to be hopefully.

It is going to be an exciting time now for the first time the conclave there's a serious chance for a pull from the Americas -- before we get into that.

Let's get into really what happened this weekend on Friday the general congregations which is the general meetings in which the college of cardinals meet to discuss -- who they think could be.

The Pope in what kind of characteristics they're looking for and and really to talk and everything from the -- leak scandal to sexual abuses.

On the eighth meeting on Friday they announced the conclave would start tomorrow the the first vote is expected to happen anywhere from 12:30 to 2 o'clock in the afternoon on Saturday.

This was really interstate inside the Sistine Chapel.

This is where they really set up.

The vote.

Now I mean I had this really see this attack I hadn't read it twice -- to actually believe of -- jamming devices.

Are being put inside the Sistine Chapel to keep the 115 -- monotony.

From -- tweeting.

Or really using their phones to -- -- supersede the white or black smoke that traditionally comes out of the chimney the chimney installed.

By local firefighters on top of the Sistine Chapel as well on Saturday now inside they put -- wooden floor.

Now the wood floor some believe was not meant to hide -- jamming devices but -- the -- floor was there.

Really to set up a stable -- -- for the cardinals walked to one from the -- Angelo.

Where they rules lay in front of -- -- -- in Michelangelo's last judgment.

Now what -- that's with -- place their ballots so they're really just wanted to -- -- protect the the cardinals on Sunday.

Like you had said.

It -- very interesting moment when the cardinal.

The cardinals went to their people lobby churches to to -- churches are really.

A part of history when it comes at a Catholic Church it's where really the cardinals are assigned to their specific parishes here in Rome.

And they had a chance to have a mass cardinal or be -- -- -- rare who is considered.

You most likely Hispanic candidate out of Brazil of maybe you actually become Pope had held his mask also and it's separate ceremony.

Across town this confidence at a San Francisco -- -- Cardinal from Mexico -- -- believe and I Canada held his mess in which he also said that he believes this conclave.

Is going to go by very quickly so into -- interest -- perspectives what -- whether it's rare who's really getting a lot of hype for.

For maybe becoming an expo and Mexico's go to -- -- of an attack Canada and you know after that today really.

There hasn't been much going on besides the last ten.

Congregation meeting in which the cardinals finally met on the night before like you had said roughly 22 hours before the first though now this weekend.

It's really crowded with crowded -- people from all over the world especially from Latin America and there was no better.

Place to go in saint Peter's basilica and secular Saint Peter's Square -- he's been Vatican City to talk about what really -- -- hope.

In the next folks let's play that was played I think -- And a diplomatic.

That it can be out of the -- put on their product and I Alexio.

And don't go to -- my dad and Dina but in general -- -- sanity you know.

He's being gotten teasing look quite settlement school home Borough but I'm going to Sebelius Oden didn't matter -- it.

-- is the most is what else is gonna is questionable I think they're presently put -- think through -- -- only.

It was extraordinary to demonstrate a little rules that -- EU group game with his limp or better yet -- you'll go to Israel -- the president.

Well I'm a child of the Vatican council and the in the sixties former nanny and I would love to see the -- leap forward into its -- -- first century and a lot of its plans for women.

And women's role in the chariots.

And exit be much more humanitarian.

And let's be realistic.

Let those -- -- -- to get where they let a -- -- let let me this.

A -- he'll be bad publicity just 111000.

Imposes -- we're thinking I mean inning and the basic ability.

An -- Not requests needed a stimulus.

You from the in the Mandela bust and relevant nowadays feels.

He can play -- was inadequate immigration -- -- -- -- So as you see directors of really a lot of challenges before the Catholic Church everything from sexual abuse scandals.

So really what -- -- in the church needs to go.

In Latin America everyone has their opinions and their priorities.

But really we won't know the church can't move forward.

Until they have a new Pope and again that begins tomorrow a local time it'll be -- -- at 345.

And that'll be around 1145 your time unsupported but your time excuse me one -- we'll start -- mass at saint Peter's basilica and move.

To the -- Pauline chapel.

And then from there that we'll have a procession from the same Pauline chapel.

All the way into the Sistine Chapel and then we can expect them to really put in one ballot tomorrow that's one ballot and experts say don't expect any.

White smoke on the first ballot -- like the primaries where many.

Different candidates are going to be mentioned the first time and as each day goes by and each ballot goes by.

Those -- six to eight candidates goes -- go down in dwindled down through the -- him so it's gonna be really exciting we're looking at maybe seeing.

White or black smoke anywhere tomorrow from 12:30 to 2 o'clock eastern time.

I should let people know as well -- you know I should let people know as well Brian that we've got a conversation going on here.

And extremely love there's a lot of reaction from people -- that they've they've pretty much your.

Parallel to what you had mentioned moments ago people I've I've got three of them here in front of me one of them says.

The biggest concern for me is a sexual abuse scandal another one says.

The church needs to open more rules for women possibly even -- took -- positions for women and another one says interestingly enough.

I think the most important thing about looking for in this next Pope is that he has.

A personality and conviction to move the church which leads me to my question to you is there any talk of -- more.

Transformational.

-- I mean maybe like John the 23 prior to the second Vatican somebody who could really.

Move this church in a different perhaps a more.

Let me not use the word progressive for you Brian because I know that -- -- -- many different things let me say ages different direction.

That's all the talk to be selling papers and that's really why this conclave.

Is so different because there is a sense.

That the church really wants to move in the direction towards the future more optimistic future.

And that is why for the very first time a Latin American a lot people -- He's so likely now looking at three different candidates that kind of really touch on some of the qualities you were talking about.

We'll be -- -- source rare out of Brazil he 63 years old right.

And he is part of the roaming Kodiak yes he had a high position from a colonial which is.

Really the Vatican government inside the -- in government now he's from Brazil the -- is well if we can bring in somebody from the most populous Catholic state.

In the world.

Well what's what's more looking into the future than that -- 63 he's young and the talk is -- the wanting to go to somebody that can have.

This position for more than just a few years now outside of that some people are looking at -- -- Diego.

It's not Oscar on this -- gay guys from Honduras so he's somebody that really is about social justice and he really is a fighter.

Against poverty he's that he believes he leads actually to Catholic Church is largest -- Nonprofit and so -- he's somebody that that people are looking at all so and then outside of that it's Leonardo son.

Now somebody -- somebody who's actually had the third highest position and the Vatican he's from Argentina.

And so a lot of that's the three deaths of three different candidates that we're talking about.

Look it's the America's got Timothy Dolan you got Sean O'Malley he got the Americas and that's where everyone's looking out for hope and change.

And it could very well be someone that no one's even mentioned yet because it's kinda like.

Sports in many ways are -- draft in the NFL you.

You're you're you think -- positive you know your team's gonna pick and all of a sudden they pick somebody that you've never heard of and that's a possibility of a -- This man doesn't even have to be a cardinal to be chosen the next Pope I mean if you go by the letter of the law all right so.

Exactly right you and I'll be having more conversations.

Throughout the rest of this week as the process goes in fact united are we talking just.

A little while about this as well I understand you have book and interview lined up for us from someone who's actually inside the church and knows some of these.

Details that we've been talking about so thank you Brian will be getting back to you in just a bit a couple of notes that I want to share with you.

The conclave is gonna begin with the cardinals in the red cossacks you'll see them wearing them.

As they file into the Sistine Chapel and they're gonna be chanting and and it's pretty interesting because they're all chanting together some of them have better voices than others.

If you vote in the Catholic mass lately I'm sure -- didn't know what I'm talking about but they have this very mama folic lit.

-- which state performance basically -- calling out all the saints.

It's almost as if when they're going in the Sistine Chapel there -- all the saints to go in there with them to look over them to guard over them it's called the -- create her spirit -- And it's basically imploring the -- to be there.

Next to a Michael and that Angelos last judgment then that cardinals -- -- their hand on the gospel.

And that's when they promised secrecy.

And the historic emphasis of the secrecy comes back for many years and thousands of years ago in fact when what happened was.

From many of the king's inside Europe.

France and Spain and Italy would interfere with this process.

They would literally go in and try and make sure they got their guy and there which is the foundation or what started I should say a thousand years ago.

Of this secrecy.

Inside there's so papal selection gonna have a lot more on this and by the way from the past -- -- -- -- the president Tim -- Archbishop of New York one of the cardinals lose their heats up.

And he's coming up -- just a little bit you'll hear what he has to say we'll have that as we continuing our special coverage here on Fox News Latino.

-- -- You know it's funny we've been not getting responses from many of -- and it there's no question that some of the chats that we hear some of the conversations.

That we hear from you at least in tone and this is not a scientific studies suggest people are reaching out to us.

There's a negative tone among Catholics who are saying I want change.

You know.

You know they -- their mentioning things about corruption in the Catholic Church.

They're mentioning child molestation.

They're mentioning a need for more change in the Catholic Church it's.

You know it's it's it's a theme that plays itself out I think it's important that.

It's certainly a thing that we hear more of here in the United States than you do perhaps some of the developing world although you know.

There are hints of it there as well.

You will -- Tim Dolan.

Archbishop cardinal of -- New York City.

Probably of all the cardinals that are there and Rome he seems to be the most expressive the most.

The most honest at least in the way that he's been conducting himself doing interviews with reporters here's another bit of just Tim Dolan over the weekend.

Wolf.

We try to do you know the Italians have a beautiful saying -- could only make -- with the -- you've got.

So we stand up and we say we got we want to be good dole for the holy spirit to work through.

It's so typical right I mean he just seems like.

Of all the cardinals and you know we have a portable obviously once again the upsides and -- It's very expressive he's very relatable.

Not only two other people there but to the folks of new York and even.

Relatable to the media in this case.

Prospects of -- -- America that's an -- topic let me bring up the date on that there's really five.

Potential prospects that are being not considered from what America we've got it up for you conceived for yourself -- there's cardinal.

All hollow but alas they of these -- as you could see he's from Brazil.

-- certainly considered.

You know somebody who could have the position there as well also cardinal Jorge.

-- -- -- good goal Leo he's an Argentinian.

And he has been in the very top of just about every list as his cardinals -- inaudible Sunday.

From Argentina.

Cardinals got a earliest.

-- PIR he's the Honduran who was also.

Again in the top five for a lot of people in their lists remember though or keep in mind that there's a lot of people making lists out there.

And then there's -- cardinal all a little bit -- don't -- rare you've heard a lot.

About him as well he is from Brazil so let me bring in somebody you can kind of start to put this a little bit together forces is Miguel be asked.

Ambassador to the Vatican.

And he's good enough to join us now thank you mr.

ambassador picked -- talk to us.

Thank you thank you -- -- Michael I know how to suck.

My little jealous of -- there in the eternal city.

Listen I have to ask you this question.

-- curious about Pope Benedict where he is what his role is.

What have you heard have you heard from him have you heard from someone -- spoken with him what is his role going to be -- them.

I I have not but I -- and we all I'm sure that but apparently other it's raining or -- at -- But this important moment there is.

You don't love.

It is it it's not just an important moment it's a difficult moment isn't it and it.

We you know.

Where we are all reading back -- leaks report.

It is troubling.

And you know we wondering in the end we wonder in the end what effect it's it it it's gonna have.

So let me just ask you quite bluntly.

How concerned should the church being how much of a topic should this be amongst.

These cardinals who will gather there in the Sistine Chapel.

In you know 22 hours from now how should they be addressing this -- -- You know Brit I was.

US ambassador.

There was -- here.

Where years of service I eat this really difficult time -- in terms of the internal issues -- the church.

In terms of the issues at the human family is facing a national level so well with respect to all of the issues you have -- -- and.

And all of the other Asian not to mention that he's in this -- percent last -- -- -- -- it -- it challenges that face that you can actually.

It is something better articles I am sure thinking about our -- about.

And it's something that it will eat hopefully Mary Berry and -- -- -- elect the next help.

-- Catholics mr.

ambassador.

Help me as a Catholic understand.

How much attention I should pay to these accusations I mean.

I'm hearing and reading some pretty horrible things about corruption within the bank of the Vatican.

About.

You know plans to try and you know driver's set up.

Catholic priests who happened to be homosexual.

About.

All kinds of things that you know -- the kinds of things you're uncomfortable thinking about and certainly.

Talking about -- your families and with your children.

How much of the do you think it's hyperbole and how much of it do you think is real.

I think again I think -- we we we know that I'm getting any story.

We need to be fair sweetie to be balance and we need to not look at facts rather therefore -- -- -- I'm clearly there is a sexual abuse scandal of the -- has gone through which is not hyperbole is really real.

There are suffering the result bringing in in in.

Hundreds of thousands of ignorance that all over the world and -- something -- I'm that needs of the union -- and ISI mentioned in any number of interviews that I've done it.

I firmly believe that we need a passer who can really attack and it is great suffering not only with respect is -- particularly big sexual abuse victims.

All the other kinds of victimization of marginalization within the charged.

In society we also need a diplomat because this charge is very diverse.

In the human values very errors and we need to be you know back that next leader is going to have -- -- to address is great diversity and struck her that.

Creatively and critical way.

Any knees and I think -- turtles and he's a great administrator could happen to their resources because no one person can do their job.

Especially.

At this time in human history words and -- -- or what was charged not only -- a sovereign.

-- you know that I had to stay but also that I -- one point two billion output and so up.

Know that that the ability to delegate to guarantee some pretty common identity and and why seeing our advisors is going to be key in terms of the next.

Well you know that's a tall order that -- just created for if you want him to be a great administrator you wanted to be a theologian and you want to be a -- -- If you could choose one of those three and say you know what we get somebody else to administrate we need somebody with the conviction.

The as my old football coach used to say intestinal fortitude.

To change things to be transformational.

May be like a Pope John the 23 ranked second Vatican or something.

Isn't that necessary at this time in this church or should they just continue the status quo.

Went and I I think that again a pastor who is able to.

Two wisely.

And include simply CD that the needs of the church and happens you.

Whoever.

Needs to -- -- And well on into this team to address the challenges is is is what the church needs I'm there -- small.

An apartment candidate out there there is no one person they end up -- can do everything.

But again you -- is about being able to delegate.

To read the signs of that time as a second Vatican council invites us to do and -- -- and science in latter mission they.

Believe.

Do you believe -- Pope Benedict.

Essentially decided to leave because of the crisis.

Because of the back -- leaks because of the scandal.

That's unfortunate but we weren't able to hear his last answer and we certainly will try to get him back as we move forward here on this special edition.

Of Fox News Latino.

Just an audio glitch.

Something happened where we weren't able to make that connection between him and -- here.

-- -- -- -- inner workings of the Vatican what do people who follow this are reporters by the way.

Who dedicate their lives to doing nothing but perusing the notes finding information doing interviews.

We've people -- -- inside the Vatican we have one of those is coming up.

It came in just a little bit maybe he can share.

Information for us because the key for us is just try and look for truth to try and look for what actually is going on as we go through this this this process.

-- finding out who the next Pope will be.

We'll do that when we come back I'm Rick Sanchez for Fox News -- -- we told -- this is going to be a conversation welcome back everybody I'm Rick Sanchez.

Conversations on got a couple tweets that we've got a couple FaceBook responses well we got too many to put a ball on the air but we have.

Joe's and a few of the Twitter response comes to us from Robert Lloyd finder he says.

I feel it's very important that the media stay out of the election process however he says agreeing with us -- what we said just a little while ago.

It's also very important that the truth be told while that's what we're here for mr.

Find.

FaceBook responses Steve Burke says American as and I want an American Pope.

-- Belle says how about one that will Pakistan against pedophilia and the Catholic Church.

That is the quality I would look for in a Pope.

We promised that we'd have an insider's perspective on what happens inside the Vatican and someone who's been following that for a very long time.

Let me take you back out the -- -- us now he's actually Wednesday.

Priest slash investigators slash reporter who's been doing just that Bryant take away.

Yeah actually this is father Michael Collins he is the author of the Vatican hidden treasures and secrets of the holy city he's actually met Pope John -- the second.

About thirty times so inside the Vatican were just talking about.

The -- free the reformation or litter -- -- reform or or to continue with the status quo one of those she.

What are the chances of an American Pope what happened in bedecked kind of rough originally.

But it's very difficult to predict future we're going to really helped wait for the next couple of days but when you look at the -- and it's a little pinpoints in Rome.

It's just a 118.

Acres which is very very big but at the same time.

It's a history of 2000 -- and it's very very much connected with the Italian the Roman culture.

You know this culture of somebody being in charge and people then looking -- person.

Four there.

Likelihood and to all of this so -- going to be something which could be quite difficult to break sane American words commended.

He would find it as an enormous cultural change to try and deal with the whole Italian way -- -- thinking.

Because important and -- that's going to Oppenheim in a -- just now but certainly I would see this coming in the next few years.

How much of this is -- but I hyperbole.

The accusations that -- Rick which is talking about.

Even happening with the Vatican bank.

All things come talk to me how much of it is actually true -- that this that this should mean all of these are scum balls and they really hits home all the more.

As as body blows if you like because the Christian church.

Basis itself from the -- and tolerance and understanding and all great virtues and then it was revealed that there is money laundering and it's revealed that there is.

About com -- this abuse of the -- people -- Baltimore.

So it's something which has to be -- out but I would see this is very.

Optimistic and a good time for the church because it's it's all blown out of the water it's -- kind of exploded.

And we know took the opportunity as you sit there and here that we reform.

And become better -- we just stay and do the same and if that's case we're not going to be your last question Korea is how much how much -- -- actually looking -- -- The possibility.

Is the Americas are they gonna come together to change.

It's not good to work I think on -- country -- I think the cardinals are just going to look for.

One really could come to that that the very small field -- hundreds and fifteen and out without probably because it doesn't have been looking.

I will be that's the latest of father Michael -- here at the Vatican.

Right outside the Vatican already -- Good job -- appreciate appreciate mr.

Collins -- -- Father Collins is our comments sir I want to show you some before we let you go this is interesting and I think if anything captures.

The spirit of why there may be an argument for change in the Catholic Church worldwide it's this graphic that I'm about to show you right here I think we could not put it -- but you know as you look at it you're gonna see.

Look at this this is Europe 52%.

Of the cardinals.

Better in this conclave see it right there in the middle.

52% of the cardinals are from Europe yet only 24%.

Of the Catholics worldwide.

Are in Europe.

Now.

What does that tell you now look look over Latin America just across from -- see that right there.

39% of the world's Catholics resided in Latin America yet only 17%.

Of the cardinals are from Latin America so it's it's a representation issues something that obviously needs to be examined looked over.

Another play for the Catholic Church is growing.

12% are Catholics are coming from there.

Yet it's only 9% representation.

This is why there's a call if not a question about whether the next person that is the Pope.

Is chosen from one of these countries someplace outside of Europe and a lot of people of course are saying why not America why not.

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-- medical -- muscles Gonzales.

Is joining us now he is a professor of spirituality.

Exit Catholic theological union.

And I I think you may have seen professor thank you first of all for joining us are.

Thank you thank you make you did you see that geography of the conclave I've put up a little while ago because -- you know here's.

Here's Europe professor.

52%.

Of the cardinals are from Europe and yet they only represented 24% of the world's Catholics and is that reason enough for these cardinals to be considering.

Someone from perhaps another part of the world and how important would that be.

I think get to see your your map but.

And I pictured it in my mind because I've seen it I've seen it several times.

I just I just came back from from Rome and I've been talking to different friends in Rome and -- Italian friends.

Who are themselves thinking.

It's time for a non European.

So I think the Europeans themselves are beginning to understand that.

You know if you're only like 2425%.

Of the church.

Then the other 75%.

Have a right to.

To be represented at at the highest level which would be -- -- at the Pope.

You -- at the same time we never wanna say that somebody should be represented because he'd.

It happens to be certain nationality or certain skin color certain anything I mean you should find the best person and and put them it in that position.

You know that being said.

The demographics of the world there changes do you think of those.

Five candidates that we have talked about.

You know of these and what god Leo and son that he.

And -- -- -- out and -- sure rare of those five candidates there is one of those who.

You believe you've studied this who could represent the papacy.

I I believe that.

Again it would you mentioned signed be the very first thing that came to my mind was.

You know he's -- -- him -- and at the same time he's got an Italian last name.

As settlement of versatility to -- do what they know that would make it -- the happy.

But it is not about making the Italians have the other we -- Italians -- The one I keep hearing about is the one from from Brazil and believe his name is -- while.

Voted yes yes that over the want from Brazil is but -- that the obvious cardinal -- all -- possibilities right.

Right right.

I eat you know I keep hearing about him.

-- -- that he's.

You know he's multi -- as far as -- he does you know more than just Portuguese and Spanish.

And I mean that's one thing that we never consider about when we're talking about -- you know the future Pope.

This is.

John Paul the second in certain cents -- set the bar really high.

Where is being able to at least when we -- we reach out.

Two Christians of all different countries and all different language.

Well yes let me ask you a controversial question now -- -- could.

Professor.

How do you read the -- leaks report have you been keeping up with all that information.

It's.

Depends on how much you read.

How much you believe obviously it can be pretty horrible I mean beyond horrible actually.

Two part question hey do you believe -- why.

The Pope resigned.

And two do you think.

It is.

Some saying that that.

You as a scholar believe is actually taking place or.

Has it been.

Exaggerate.

I think -- -- -- Benedict who left because he's old okay I mean in my heart of hearts that's really what I think.

I know.

I was shocked actually the reaction of a number of Italian friends of mine who.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Let me let me combine my question then let us suppose as some are intimating.

That because he's tired and because he is a little more frail and because -- little -- -- when they handed him this report and said.

Take a look at this.

He said you know what.

This is too much for a man of my age and for -- -- my condition.

To be able to deal with I'm gonna step out -- let you guys take care of this now that's what's -- report.

Sure sure that.

And if he did -- I would just say more power to him.

I think that is human beings we need to realize -- You know we're limited.

And we can only do so much.

You know million DS talked about a Pope was able to delegate.

Well I think that Benedict also showed us that a Pope should be able to step down.

And say.

General whether I can't you can't go anymore.

And the church needs someone better than me.

You know and the church needs for me to step aside I think -- banded together told my friends in Italy.

You know you're concerned about it it's not going to be carrying his cross.

I think Benedict has been handed and -- even heavier cross and that's the cross of suspicion.

And to -- so why did you step down because of humanity -- because of this because of that.

And believe me that is not a good process have to carry for the rest of this life and yet he's gonna have to do.

Well then quit because we're out of time but yes or no answers -- I require from you here.

-- is their cause for suspicion yes or no.

-- That there's always cause for suspicion.

Is there cause those grounds for hope.

What is -- cause for suspicion in this particular scandal that there may have been some outrageous acts being committed.

I would -- so.

Okay my thanks also say don't give up on the hope.

I thank you sir and you know what my but my my appreciation for your candor on this it's it's it's.

You know something all of this is Catholics are wrestling with and I think the best -- we can do is to be honest about it deal with that in trying to find out.

The truth so.

You better -- colossal school solace professor of spirituality Catholic.

Theological union might thinks to you my thanks to all the folks involved here foxnews.com and Fox News look you know bringing you this.

And obviously we're gonna continue to do this each and every day.

Until we see the smoke.

A video proper color.

From the -- Sistine Chapel in the Vatican and we know that we haven't facts elected.

A new Pope -- Rick Sanchez thanks so much -- Same time tomorrow right here and there.

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