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I think about -- former congressman -- the book out called.
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I don't do my own show anymore but I calling -- show.
-- you know isn't probably the beauty to that as well.
You said that -- Jack Abramoff book you thought was sterilized -- it was the honest in his book.
While he was honest and part but I think was very sterilized when -- asked questions follow up question he was kind of -- call.
A very very sterilized -- and doesn't explain the whole you know the Ralph Reed.
Deal doesn't explaining you know who were the 100 members of congress feel like I had been in my pocket quote.
I spent a million dollars -- -- money gets spent -- I thought it was quite sterilize that.
Step remind noble -- into this and I thought that was heartfelt -- read both of them.
I just thought Jack seemed to be yet here it is -- -- -- -- around the country -- the government's money back and.
Israel Israel -- -- We know I think he had dealings would Jack and I and I am not a court.
But I know he was in the middle that whole thing -- McCain only brought up Jack Abramoff to Mike -- he did not bring up read.
Which was integral part of pretending to go to the casino it to shut it down -- -- could open -- you know they have this secret deal more than they were all making money.
Jack went to prison for that.
Let me ask you about but but Ralph didn't Ralph was never -- what.
Call by McCain look McCain called no -- to -- name the king throughout was marketing.
Do you wanna take on advocacy groups that would stormed the White House if you went after Ralph -- -- -- You think like John McCain was trying to give get his name away from the Keating five reputation he had her.
Absolutely eat that still is you know.
A sore spot -- -- -- quote brought a Vermont down for it out of prison McCain that are on the countries -- and I put Bob Ney and Jack Abramoff in prison.
And he I think he thought that would win him that you know presidential race somehow because the short it.
Well -- -- like -- George W.
It was a good relationship but first I had some trouble with his staff because they.
Felt the you know number one priority of the president was to cut headstart that I think go along with that I was key vote.
You know the heads and thinking like that that was bizarre I got along with -- but he was you know it's up pushy type of person.
Sometimes like I describe in the book with a -- -- he couldn't -- what you want to vote just to be -- Chavez.
And then and show.
And I I didn't actually have been direct.
Like with the president but you know when he came -- to what he didn't think -- ever -- Jack Abramoff excuse me they were in both together they were up at the podium together.
Today's purposely life.
While I I've devastated.
The president if he didn't hadn't missed speaker or -- he surely has the worst memory I'll play another.
But he says the dinner where they've -- fourteen million some dollars with Jack there at the podium and -- pictures with -- he knew Jack was Jack was extremely close to Tom DeLay.
But as far as bush himself I never had any bad words you know head on with a guy or anything like that with the with the Prez election -- You talk very candidly in this book about your own journey.
Divorced twice broke suicidal.
All that happen as a result of your actions correct.
As a result my actions but.
And and I didn't do all these things because of alcohol -- what people saying oh -- the typical politician he alcohol made him do it alcohol was a factor.
And bad decisions criminal behavior might eat Billick Sadr was the main thing.
After that the aftermath of what I plummeted through alcohol it took me to despair pointed to take my life.
It didn't do the despair point where all hope was gone.
Once I I got into you know recovery once I started to be -- it wasn't easy -- -- -- went to the re have been prison.
My mind if he -- like a light bulb went off in the end you know liked I didn't have the despair that I happened to him -- very very.
Happy person working with other people in twelve step.
What was your lowest moment.
-- moment I believe was the fact that I was going to end everything because I thought -- would spare my feeling embarrassment and and -- -- died while still in congress they would do that at the insurance policy and I knew I was going broke my landlady do.
Oh yeah it's -- detail in the book -- -- -- -- it's it's so now my mind this is stupid and so and so insane.
You know I was gonna do it from the Justice Department have a little letter and put some things in there about you know there have been some of the things -- that would help.
It happens and bill that would really be teach them what -- -- you take poisoning you wait for the next person to die.
What turned it around for you so that you never got to that point we did that.
I had a higher power moment that moment view is from the hand of god I believe and it was my neighbor Matt Parker could work -- my campaign.
And he called he'd be want to talk to me.
And I just sort of let loose with everything in -- turned me around and then my -- and Ellen Ratner my friend.
That you need to go only liberal by the way -- Congressman I I thought the queen of liberal.
We don't agree on hardly.
Something now that but it did it but.
But I have to tell you may deter it did you know it did.
It was a moment for me and you know that I went down the you know the path -- recovery so -- got me into rehab.
And that began the process of change and stay in rehab and prison.
It's at the if it's quite a -- -- in a large -- -- book I -- people have concentrating on the Boehner stuff -- a large party -- your own.
Ability to -- yourself and invite you might have for others who might find himself in a similarly low point in their lives.
I tried to send that message there no matter who you are I'd I'd give some -- -- era of hope.
But I did that.
And I get out of prison there were many many are combo was that I am so glad I'm alive to experience there is hope -- if you have substance abuse of any type.
-- is hope you don't have to live like that.
And -- -- my -- -- moments by the way I'll never forget is I started my radio show and I got a wonderful note from liberal guy named Alan Colmes.
I'll toss it down immediately I wouldn't you know you don't want that associated wishes it -- -- seriously doubt they would what is it didn't make you happy today gives you hope that you didn't have fact that.
I believe because for -- I've got clarity of mind that I can get through rough spots because I have sobriety.
I realize I have friends you know I have spent at least two course.
But I have a lot of friends I have a lot of feelings that I can you know have something down the road some hope.
And that life can be good I've also spent some time in India.
The united meditated.
Over there India's agreed to a wonderful country it did people are very -- very bad condition that they have so much hope.
It's absolutely amazing so that's given me another.
Has any of this change your political views.
Probably some of them have -- I have a section in there on prison in and parole officers not because anybody will feel like feel so bad for Bob May I don't want -- don't need it.
I had the ability to be on the from which you and -- to express -- what happened.
And I didn't because other people cannot speak out for themselves are -- I was in shock.
Members of congress should do we have to -- six months in prison.
And come -- serving congress.
I gotta tell you we're warehousing people were taking anti -- and those of the big drug dealers.
We are doing so many injustices so I could put what people go through by putting what I went through that other people put you -- -- and I -- If you and the day comes and you might run into John Boehner do you fear that moment or did you have any thoughts of what.
What would transpire -- -- that to happen.
No I don't I don't fear that -- no matter what he says they have pieces that they have a looking in the I think you know tell the truth -- I didn't mean it was that.
-- you know because I despise you just people need to know the third in line for the presidency they need to know and I think John Boehner has -- chance to personally change himself into.
Corruption and to change the house.
-- -- snap of the finger and I think he he would be it.
-- is -- likable guy.
Yes John there isn't -- tomatoes come up that way me because some on the other side of the plate tonight I don't see the touchy Feely stuff there.
No well he's a likable -- the only thing about John I've -- for two and a -- decades never heard him say.
Oh you know we've really got to do this for the for the people.
When I brought in to genetic testing bill to -- -- genetic testing but the individuals be used against and Johnson business doesn't like it.
I just -- and say.
You know philosophically I don't like -- will really help people but when you always get the response to this group doesn't like it Becker doesn't like it.
It doesn't celibate and -- then it doesn't sell now.
'cause I wish the very best I appreciate your candor we -- -- with a book critical sites like lessons learned courtesy of the hit men of Capitol Hill.
And thank you very much -- on this program.
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