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Look at border security as Congress drafts immigration bill

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    William La Jeunesse reports from Phoenix

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There was a new battle over securing our southern border there is a brand new report claiming that some senate Democrats may try to -- and immigration reform bill.

As soon as Easter recess concludes.

Meanwhile new questions of what the administration and congress are doing to secure the border in the southwest and we much -- -- It's travel back to Arizona city of Phoenix William good morning.

Well bill what defines a secure borders a critical question in a potential sticking point.

In an immigration reform debate by the administration argues more bodies more -- more technology results in fewer people trying to cross.

But critics say the apprehension numbers alone.

Are meaningless.

If you don't also know how many people tried to get in -- giving in.

On a daily basis.

Any time somebody -- immigration reform we see -- -- and see if we see more people coming.

Arizona Richard Dan bell sees the -- differently than those in Washington is our borders -- in fact never been stronger about statistically secretary Janet Napolitano is right with apprehensions that record lows but numbers don't tell the whole story -- -- of the border than I've never been worse and there are a bit more dangerous that canyon.

The valleys and amount of planning group down and that's where the activity is now sheriff Tony Estrada patrols -- -- Arizona where fifty miles of fence made the city safer.

I've been here.

445 years in law enforcement I have never seen a more secure than it is right now but for smugglers outside of town you activity has shifted from the urban areas.

It has shifted over to a rural -- While the US has spent more money on manpower and infrastructure and fences like this one -- -- -- separating -- from the US stiffs like fifty or sixty years ago.

He's a barbed wire fence and ranchers say these are routinely cut whether it's our water lines -- fences.

Or put in our cattle back and to a -- they're supposed to -- that's all time and money for us -- says it's inaccurate to say the border is safe or secure since the Border Patrol only counts of illegals they catch.

Not those who get away while things are getting better in one place.

Drugs are getting worse -- -- know reports.

Now the bottom line is -- expects to seal the border that's impossible at least bill.

You want to know how many people you try to catch but failed the avalanche of the Border Patrol kept those data.

They caught a 125000.

People in the Tucson sector in 2011 but 25000.

Got away.

Now tomorrow we're going to look at some of the technology.

That may deliver the accountability that lawmakers want before they legalize.

The -- eleven million people -- are already here looking forward to seeing that just quick question here William La it's difficult to answer if the security of the border.

Has never been better.

How much further does it need to go to make it secure for sure and for -- Well here's the deal so so you need some kind of a measurement per metric to tell you.

How secure the border as you can throw a lot of resource is that it but right now we don't know how many people are getting through they used to keep that data by every border control sector right now they're not.

The border of the DHS is now considering a border control index to try to convince lawmakers to get on board so bill you don't know.

What you don't know but there are sometimes when you're following somebody.

But they get away so you come out of a group of ten people you catch five.

Three get turned back well what about those two that got through they used to keep that number they don't do that anymore that's -- Republicans are saying wait.

You can't expect us to sign on what we don't know how many people are continuing to get -- query yep that's a critical question looking forward to see you tomorrow thank you William -- us live there in Phoenix terrorism.

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